Boron supplements

b1

Does anyone know of any good boron supplements?
Also would it be more beneficial to take naturally?
What dosage?

I've felt more physical strength recently from eating raisins. Lot of boron apparently

cremes

@questforhealth This got me intrigued so I looked it up. Here's the most approachable description. Seems like prune juice and avocado have just a bit more boron per serving than raisins, but otherwise raisins are an excellent source.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/best-boron-rich-foods-5092054

noseleather

Borax is the best supplement for it. Most actual boron supplements are close to borax in a pill form

Food sources listed in this thread are good options, but I'm pretty sure most raisins are pretty unpeaty in that they are coated with a seed oil and dried fruit is an industrial process that isn't great. There are also questions about how much boron is in the soil for these food sources in the first place.

b1

@noseleather I cant find any borax supplements unless you mean the cleaning / slime making stuff . https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dripak-Borax-substitute-500g-Pack/dp/B00F8AE83W/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Q9WsW9Y2GXtmAWpC-TsnBkoB0Kbhjvi39c8_OL4d5ZdWli6ckm_naF9mD31xClCnhVB-wKI0MbSFp7YZRVJbGxEtZlK8jmS39fG4lJaJTfNkA0WJT8C-XAYRlhL1laZR8LWMW75e0dTmN6aELiJlEaR6q9m_ENsE5J0HwZKWk5hYra59DHJADc_tzHctOuv0wbIoXpsx4Ivxi7q6vAQWKWLbH5a5d7paIGi50TpyJV0g9KM88Asm6z7tEiRfTXNaOVjRbxZM6wwdpCZ7yx8YS25o9JDH5P1rP439qh3tkSk.4e0lVpTHCdaHRoopBpD4T4EbAKn-t8S1schpoLWwLjw&dib_tag=se&keywords=borax%2Btablets&qid=1713210980&sr=8-5&th=1

noseleather

@b1 yes i mean borax the cleaner lol. you can go actual boron supplements but borax cleaner is the ability to buy a massive amount at dirt cheap price, and appears to be 100% safe as well. 100 mule team is the known brand in the USA

ATP

Why take boron?

DavidPS

@ATP said in Boron supplements:

Why take boron?

It is used for bone and joint health.

Essentiality of Boron for Healthy Bones and Joints

Using Boron Supplementation in Cancer Prevention and Treatment: A Review Article

DavidPS

The Borax Conspiracy

BioEclectic

The late Ted from Bangkok counseled many to take Boron a few days a week, and to take short breaks from it regularly. Pretty sure most of his Boron info is still posted at the Earth Clinic forum.

Edit: here's some of Ted's info:
https://www.earthclinic.com/search.php?search=Boron&r=&ps=1&rfs=1&qa=1&ts=1

Here's an interesting post:
How Borax Can Help Alleviate Arthritis Symptoms and More
snip:
*Borax is a natural remedy that can effectively treat various types of arthritis and joint problems. It's a low-cost and straightforward solution that can help alleviate symptoms of osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, and more.

Borax is a mineral compound used for medicinal purposes for centuries. It contains boron, which has anti-inflammatory and pain-relieving properties, making it an effective natural remedy for arthritis.*

Here's an old archived Health and Longevity newsletter article titled Boron for Better Bones

BioEclectic

Take the following with a grain of salt as commercial interests may be involved, or simply not properly researched for all i know ...

A supposedly more therapeutic form of Boron, Calcium Fructoborate, CaFB, just one of many sugar borates.

I've seen it relatively inexpensive in the past at Amazon by searching directly for Calcium Fructoborate or using a trademark name "Fruitex-B".

Edit:

Dr Hesslink (PDF):
The Fructoborates: part of a family of naturally ocurring sugar complexes, biochemistry, physiology, and impact on human health - review (definitely read the introduction page at the very least)

Index of Dr Hesslinks other Boron articles.
I guess calcium is not necessary for a fructoborate to exist, and that there are multiple types, then there are also glucoborates.

Edit: i know i can give @Amazoniac credit for some or most of these links. An interesting topic imo, will revisit.

b1

@BioEclectic
On Amazon I can only find Calcium magnesium with boron.
It may be because I'm not in USA.

BioEclectic

@b1 said in Boron supplements:

@BioEclectic
On Amazon I can only find Calcium magnesium with boron.
It may be because I'm not in USA

Meaning, you cannot find any form of Boron that doesn't include the additional minerals, or were you specifically searching for CaFB?

b1

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b1

@BioEclectic
When I look up calcium fructoborate and the branded one. I can find other boron supplements though.

Mauritio

Raisins are pretty good sources of boron averaging about 2mg/100mg. If you can find low PUFA ,sun dried ones. Should be good !

Raisins also have benefits on intestines, increasing transit speed and SCFA in the stool.
125g raisins/day decreased the transit time from 42h to 28h! That's a huge benefit.
I notice lessened constipation from raisins as well.

"Both sun-dried raisins and cream of tartar appear to be good stool softeners and to shorten intestinal transit time, although the fibre in sun-dried raisins has the added benefit of increasing faecal weight. Both sun-dried raisins and cream of tartar modulate the composition of faecal bile acids and SCFA in a way that has potential health benefits."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13129449/

Mauritio

Boron lowers PTH and cortisol, while increasing vitamin D and osteocalcin in this animal study.
Osteocalcin is anabolic and androgenic . Just do quick search on it , it has some interesting pro-metabolic properties.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32739828/

Mauritio

This is probably the best post on boron (by Travis) .
I agree with the hypothesis that arthritis might be of fungal origin and that borons main effect is anti-fungal. Not only that it also protects against fungal toxins like aflatoxin (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0946672X23000032)
It's wild that Travis took gram -amounts of boron. It is inherently non toxic , apparently less toxic than salt.

https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/nothing-boring-about-boron.22805/post-451585

Lejeboca

@Mauritio
Travis also spoke about boron as a 'natural fluoride's antidote' :

"This [catechol‐O‐methyltransferase] enzyme can be safely inhibited with epicatechin gallate, found in high concentrations in green tea. However, green tea also has fluoride; this fact would make me add fluoride's natural antidote—boron—to the tea."

-- https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/caffeine-and-progression-of-parkinson-disease-a-deleterious-interaction-with-creatine.7841/post-301043

Lejeboca

@b1 said in Boron supplements:

I cant find any borax supplements unless you mean the cleaning / slime making stuff

Indeed, to second @noseleather borax 'for cleaning' is good stuff. (modulo 'slime making' probably .lol)

Anecdotally, I add Borax powder to wash my linens (and light-colored clothes). This is my only 'supplement' with Borax. Idealabs hair tests showed a good load of boron. This was my only change in boron consumption. (I used to and I do eat quite a bit of raisins too.)

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