Peating in poverty
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Supplements are not needed for most people.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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I agree. Always prioritize food over supplements
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@Norwegian-Mugabe Can’t make money as a student and when I can make money over the summer I can’t spend them because my parents don’t work in summer so it pays the bills.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe Of course food is very important but I eat like shit most of the time because I live with my parents and they get really mad if don’t eat stuff they make. Yes I’m 19 arguing with my parents about food but whatever
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@Njegos said in Peating in poverty:
@Norwegian-Mugabe Of course food is very important but I eat like shit most of the time because I live with my parents and they get really mad if don’t eat stuff they make. Yes I’m 19 arguing with my parents about food but whatever
What do they make? Tell them you can't eat food fried in vegetable oil.
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@Njegos Try to explain the damage of seed oils to them and try to get them to buy butter. In your situation it would be good to join your partents to the store and make dinner for the family. This would improve everyones health and it would be a good way to bond with your family.
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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Are your parents making soups and stews of any sort? If yes then that's a good start, potatoes, carrots or whatever, well boiled is key. Occasionally ask them to include a few chicken, lamb or beef bones while cooking it, it may not be enough to make jelly but will provide the correct amino acids. Tripe, stomach lining, is another addition that has much Glycine.
Cheese, milk, thicker yogurt strained of it's liquid.
Is aspirin inexpensive? 1/2 a pill a day is probably more than enough at your age and would offer some PUFA and wheat gluten protection and many other benefits.
If you must eat PUFA fried foods then simply pat it dry with a napkin.
Yes to butter, ration the coconut oil, liver is powerful, having some orange is good after eating the other organs like kidneys etc as to reduce iron absorption.
Asking your parents about what their parents or grandparents used to eat can make for good conversation and give them new cooking ideas.
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@VehmicJuryman I think telling you that they think you can’t eat rice, plain pasta or peas without first putting (sunflower) seed oil in it is enough. They put it in everything and all we eat is basically legumes, chicken, seed oils and cheese which is probably the only thing keeping them alive. It is ridiculous
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@Norwegian-Mugabe The main reason the use sunflower seed oil, besides being used to it, is that is ridiculous much cheaper. Liter of it maximum 1.5€ and 250g of butter is 4€ at least. It boils down to what is cheaper. I mean, that’s why I’m asking about peating for the poor
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@Njegos you can substitute coconut oil for butter
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@BioEclectic I was thinking about taking aspirin but wasn’t sure because I know many advise to take vitamin K supplements with it. Would 1/2 pill be a safe dosage without any supplementation?
They do sometimes make soups and stews but the main ingredient is always some legumes, good old potatoes and then minimal amount of some meat, if it’s not chicken then beef. I was thinking about introducing bones but I have never seen a bone in our kitchen, I don’t how would they react. Liver is definitely something I’ll suggest tho
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@BroImGay I try to ration coconut oil because it’s more expensive than butter
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I come from a country where the national dishes all basically came to be because people were dirt poor and could not afford any meat.
Mostly potatoes, carrots, onions and dairy if possible. And eggs. People are one the tallest in the world and in general pretty healthy. Not that much anymore but they used to be when they were on this diet.
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I have quite a lot of experience with this. but it was western Europe level of poverty, not serbian. i could always look at my peers ordering food 2-3 times a week and feel quite comfortable in my food costs.
The main advice is: shoplift. This is a parody btw. Totally not my genuine advice that I apply on a daily basis.
Then it's also important to get very acquainted with the options you have. Much of my advice simply won't apply to the Serbian market.
I go to several supermarkets (without a car) to assure both highest quality and lowest cost. The next is quantity!! Get large amounts of things, it is always cheaper. Sometimes online options are good in this case too, especially if they suspend shipping costs over a certain amount.
A few examples:
After years I found out a certain brand of grape juice was a lot cheaper (and sweeter) than OJ, and have only been consuming that since.
Zucchini are a great fruit option to make in large batches.
Dates are great. cheap, they don't go bad fast. The tunisian deglet nours and iranian mazafati dateshave a great cost-digestibility balance
Skim milk powder pancakes give me a filling breakfast everyday and are fairly cheap.
Master broth for protein. check out my signature. recently i've been shoplifting calf feet because the butcher near me is inside a supermarket and i just pretend it's a bag from a different store when i go by the cash register with all my other groceries that i do pay for but it's still not expensive even when you pay for it. This entire last sentence was a total parody and not true. never happened.
Just be flexible, learn a lot, and try to make choices that result in the best possible option. This seems super obvious but it's good to remind yourself you can still find out a lot.
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@Njegos
Yes, 1/2 aspirin, even an entire one would be safe. Taken before a questionable meal would be ideal. And if you were taking even higher quantities then the firm and semi-firm cheeses have workable amounts of the different Vit-K2's. -
I've always found my diet to be financially reasonable. The trick is not worrying about organic stuff. It's a scam. Unless you're buying from a local market just get conventional.
You should be more concerned with ingredients in your products anyways, not so much the labeling on stuff. For example, Daisy brand (conventional) cottage cheese is the only acceptable product I've seen. Organic Valley's (organic) cottage cheese has gums in it.
Just because something is organic doesn't mean it's better, it could in fact be worse. So just avoiding organic produce will be a big saver on your grocery bills.
Another thing you can do is bulk buy some items. It'll cost more upfront, but if you can spare it, you will be saving money in the long run.
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I had no issues taking aspirin alone for a long time. Only symptom after absurd usage (like 3g/day) was my skin got cut easily. Of course this isn't taking into account the unforeseen consequences, but the point stands that it depends on your constitution. If you're a big guy (for you) like me then you'll be fine, but less blockheaded individuals are prolly more sensitive to downsides.
The prior recommendations to eat ground veggies (carrots, onions, potatoes, etc) is good. Produce is generally pretty cheap, or at least you need to do homework on what the cheapest peaty (or peat compatible) items in your area are and prioritize them. My main concern is getting a good source of carbs - is fruit consumption enough? If not, then try looking at frozen berries, or refined sugar if you're willing (though that may be risky long term).
I want to jeer at CO3 for
recommendingmentioning shoplifting but I am a resourceful man myself and would regularlystealutilize free food from from the work break room. I'm pretty sure I'm the reason they stopped supplying it with oatmeal packets (saved my coworkers from a life of starchceldom btw). Now I just make use of the free oranges and pears. I would suggest similar resourcefulness in your case. Indulge in the packets of sugar at restaurants. Mooch off of your friends. Combine multiple small snacks into a meal. etcI would recommend vitamin E to cope with any PUFA you inevitably consume with a budget diet but the generic off-brand alpha-tocopheryl prolly isn't gonna do much. Stick to the aspirin and the coconut oil as tactical deployment.
Consider also your physical needs. If 1) your life circumstances are not physically demanding, and 2) you don't really care about being a beefy haidutian lifter then you can maybe skimp out on fat and protein. Or at least I eat a lot more fat than I should and get away with it because of constant physical laboring. But there are cheeky ways of getting these macros, if you calculate the costs of the cheapest sources - eggs, creams, gelatin, etc. Maybe there's a clever way of integrating some new cheap food item to meet these demands.
You can also simply fortify existing meals with good food items. This is what I do with cheap meals, like adding sour cream and coconut oil to box mac and cheese for extra fat content. If all your food is homemade (which it should be, poor people who only eat premade food deserve it) it should be possible to customize it a bit in your favor.
Lastly, find some way to do all of this in a way that is stimulating rather than taxing. When I cut costs and do budgeting work I like to pretend I'm some guru doing dramatic calculations, like I'm playing a survival game and I'm solving exactly how to manage my limited resources. It helps to keep things fun and exciting rather than boring and stressful, which will indeed cause problems as this state persists.
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Buying bulk is a good advice. Making food from scratch is also smart.
Buying food that are in season tend to lower cost and improve dietary quality.
Buying supplements like asprin and vitamins rather than spending money to go from seed oils to butter, seems crazy to me. Get your food in order first.Dates are not cheap here in Norway. They are around 25 USD per KG. They are wicked good though.
Most people eat unnecessarily high amounts of protein, which is the most expensive macronutrient. Cutting protein to 90G as a male can save cost and improve health.
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@happyhanneke Who would have thought, I also come from a country with really tall people! Also one of the tallest in the world!
I try not to stress about it all, but all of my family members, regardless of age, are chronically sick, except me, well kind of I have joint, neck and back pain, I always fear it’s coming for me too, if you can say it like that. I mean the youth has already started to wear off with my neck
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@Tahodama Potatoes are definitely saving me. Dirt cheap at 59 cents a kilo, can’t get better than that. Aside from that most of the carbs I eat are plain ole sugar and wheat sometimes but I try to avoid it.
