Glucose loading cures everything?
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@S-Holmes I still find it hard to believe that anyone needs an iodine supplement. If someone excessively avoids foods containing iodine, a very, very small supplement may be essential, just not in the amounts that people take.
We need very small amounts of iodine and excess iodine is more dangerous than iodine deficiency. Of course there are also components that harm the function of iodine in the body and should be avoided.
In my opinion, the positive effects of iodine supplementation are not necessarily a good sign...
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@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
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Can you provide research on the dangers of non-radioactive iodine? Have you read the paper I posted on the faulty tests and subsequent inaccurate conclusions drawn from those tests?
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@yerrag I think you haven't read the research provided by Dr Stephens. But you may find it interesting that when I told him I had gained weight on high doses of glucose he said my body wasn't handling the glucose properly. So I think he would agree with you, at least in part. I DO tend to have high lactic acid (fibromyalgia). I have cut back on glucose for now, but still using it in place of sugar (about 70 to 100 grams a day).
I do think I need to find a way to use glucose more efficiently. Being over 50 is a real game changer. I usually don't take health advice from young people who don't have the same challenges, but most people I know who are my age and older are struggling. My husband is the exception, but he has always been very healthy.
So in conclusion, I believe that glucose in the context of an already healthy liver and good metabolism is helpful. I haven't yet decided if it is helpful to me since I may not have experimented long enough (due to weight gain).
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
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Can you provide research on the dangers of non-radioactive iodine? Have you read the paper I posted on the faulty tests and subsequent inaccurate conclusions drawn from those tests?
I don't like "research war". A fundamental logical picture is required to understand the full picture.
This is beyond the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, the potential to inhibit the TPO enzyme, the potential for inflammation, goiter and even cancer due to excess iodine.
Iodine is mainly relevant to the gland but not to other processes such as the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
In most cases, problems with the gland itself exist in women and specifically in pregnant women, since the leading cause of damage to the gland is high estrogen and low progesterone. As well as intestinal problems that lead to endotoxin that can damage the gland, TSH which itself worsens the damage to the gland and more.
In my country, there is much less iodine in food and water and there is no obligation to add iodine to salt and water like in the USA.
I started fixing my body from half a foot in the grave with a temperature of 35 degrees and a heart rate of 47 and today 10 years later I am in better health than ever, I have never used iodine to improve the function of the gland and thyroid hormones.
I also don't eat high iodine content foods. I don't eat seafoods at all, only a little bit milk and no iodine salt.
I have no inflammation, my metabolic rate and thyroid hormones are optimal. I have stable energy every day all day, I have no sleep problems, I no longer have excess fat and I have no problems, even though my days are non-stop busy and I don't even exercise at all. My brain works maybe 10 times better than average in terms of speed, efficiency and clarity.
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@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
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Can you provide research on the dangers of non-radioactive iodine? Have you read the paper I posted on the faulty tests and subsequent inaccurate conclusions drawn from those tests?
I don't like "research war". A fundamental logical picture is required to understand the full picture.
This is beyond the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, the potential to inhibit the TPO enzyme, the potential for inflammation, goiter and even cancer due to excess iodine.
Iodine is mainly relevant to the gland but not to other processes such as the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
In most cases, problems with the gland itself exist in women and specifically in pregnant women, since the leading cause of damage to the gland is high estrogen and low progesterone. As well as intestinal problems that lead to endotoxin that can damage the gland, TSH which itself worsens the damage to the gland and more.
In my country, there is much less iodine in food and water and there is no obligation to add iodine to salt and water like in the USA.
I started fixing my body from half a foot in the grave with a temperature of 35 degrees and a heart rate of 47 and today 10 years later I am in better health than ever, I have never used iodine to improve the function of the gland and thyroid hormones.
Does your government add toxic fluoride to the water supply as it does in the US? Fluoride displaces iodine. Bromide is another chemical used in food preparation that will displace iodine.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
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Can you provide research on the dangers of non-radioactive iodine? Have you read the paper I posted on the faulty tests and subsequent inaccurate conclusions drawn from those tests?
I don't like "research war". A fundamental logical picture is required to understand the full picture.
This is beyond the Wolff-Chaikoff Effect, the potential to inhibit the TPO enzyme, the potential for inflammation, goiter and even cancer due to excess iodine.
Iodine is mainly relevant to the gland but not to other processes such as the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
In most cases, problems with the gland itself exist in women and specifically in pregnant women, since the leading cause of damage to the gland is high estrogen and low progesterone. As well as intestinal problems that lead to endotoxin that can damage the gland, TSH which itself worsens the damage to the gland and more.
In my country, there is much less iodine in food and water and there is no obligation to add iodine to salt and water like in the USA.
I started fixing my body from half a foot in the grave with a temperature of 35 degrees and a heart rate of 47 and today 10 years later I am in better health than ever, I have never used iodine to improve the function of the gland and thyroid hormones.
Does your government add toxic fluoride to the water supply as it does in the US? Fluoride displaces iodine. Bromide is another chemical used in food preparation that will displace iodine.
Definitely. I'm afraid that in Israel everything is worse than in the USA.
We also don't have even one usable dairy product here, or any grass fed meat.
Alternative medicine here focuses on iodine and avoiding substances like fluoride, because they simply don't understand how the body really works.
But why not stop drinking tap water??
I get over 3 liters of water from food and supplement between 1 and 5 glasses of mineral water a week.
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@sharko Are you under the age of 50?
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko Are you under the age of 50?
Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.
And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.
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@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko Are you under the age of 50?
Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.
And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.
I discovered Ray Peat 20 years ago. I have done everything...lots of milk,.OJ, thyroid (T3, NDT), avoided seed and nut oils all this time, but nothing ever brought my temperature up until I started taking glucose. My temperature is still doing well even though I've cut back on it. My husband's temps were even worse than mine, and for 20 years, eating and avoiding the same foods as me, still no progress. Glucose was the only thing that also brought his out of the 96's (all day) to consistent 98's. He never leaves the house without his bottle of glucose lemonade.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko Are you under the age of 50?
Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.
And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.
I discovered Ray Peat 20 years ago. I have done everything...lots of milk,.OJ, thyroid (T3, NDT), avoided seed and nut oils all this time, but nothing ever brought my temperature up until I started taking glucose. My temperature is still doing well even though I've cut back on it. My husband's temps were even worse than mine, and for 20 years, eating and avoiding the same foods as me, still no progress. Glucose was the only thing that also brought his out of the 96's (all day) to consistent 98's. He never leaves the house without his bottle of glucose lemonade.
First of all, this is amazing and happy to hear!
I was only exposed to him about 10 years ago, but I didn't save myself by applying Ray Peat's principles, I did it by learning how the systems work, how the situation can be changed with diet, lifestyle and especially synthetic substances, vitamins, Minerals, hormones and other special substances.
People get confused thinking that diet and lifestyle can be sufficient to repair decades of damage and while living under stress in a toxic environment in most cases.
I have played with my hormones, vitamins, minerals, neurotransmitters and more probably thousands of times to this day, to understand how things work precisely in the brain and the rest of the body.
The glucose thing is really something that allows us to understand the picture a little better and find more effective ways to get out of difficult situations. But there is no way that alone is enough.
Look at how the doctor and others who apply the protocol and present successes look like - a fat and not fit body does not show an optimal metabolism, no matter what they tell me, this cannot be the case and if the metabolism is not optimal - there are problems. We also need to know how to check temperature and pulse for it to be reliable. It's not necessarily that simple.
To reach such abilities, the genius Ray Peat is not enough, you also need a lot of effective and precise practice that can be learned from people like Georgy Dinkov and others.
By the way, people like to look at people who claim to understand how the body works and how to bring it to an optimal state. I also did it now in the message, but there is a small difference:
When the doctor says that all it takes to cure so many problems is glucose, then he has no excuse not to look optimal.
But it's different in the case of people like Ray and Georgy because they were experimenting all the time and didn't claim that no matter what their condition was, they could take more glucose and it would be fine.
All these people, use their brains non-stop on research and solving complex problems (the organ that consumes the most glucose in the body) and this accelerates the aging process, even if you manage to maintain it at the highest levels with precise additions - but in the case of the doctor this is not relevant, because he Says you only need an addition of glucose and everything works out...
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@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko Are you under the age of 50?
Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.
And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.
I discovered Ray Peat 20 years ago. I have done everything...lots of milk,.OJ, thyroid (T3, NDT), avoided seed and nut oils all this time, but nothing ever brought my temperature up until I started taking glucose. My temperature is still doing well even though I've cut back on it. My husband's temps were even worse than mine, and for 20 years, eating and avoiding the same foods as me, still no progress. Glucose was the only thing that also brought his out of the 96's (all day) to consistent 98's. He never leaves the house without his bottle of glucose lemonade.
First of all, this is amazing and happy to hear!
I was only exposed to him about 10 years ago, but I didn't save myself by applying Ray Peat's principles, I did it by learning how the systems work, how the situation can be changed with diet, lifestyle and especially synthetic substances, vitamins, Minerals, hormones and other special substances.
People get confused thinking that diet and lifestyle can be sufficient to repair decades of damage and while living under stress in a toxic environment in most cases.
I have played with my hormones, vitamins, minerals, neurotransmitters and more probably thousands of times to this day, to understand how things work precisely in the brain and the rest of the body.
The glucose thing is really something that allows us to understand the picture a little better and find more effective ways to get out of difficult situations. But there is no way that alone is enough.
Look at how the doctor and others who apply the protocol and present successes look like - a fat and not fit body does not show an optimal metabolism, no matter what they tell me, this cannot be the case and if the metabolism is not optimal - there are problems. We also need to know how to check temperature and pulse for it to be reliable. It's not necessarily that simple.
To reach such abilities, the genius Ray Peat is not enough, you also need a lot of effective and precise practice that can be learned from people like Georgy Dinkov and others.
By the way, people like to look at people who claim to understand how the body works and how to bring it to an optimal state. I also did it now in the message, but there is a small difference:
When the doctor says that all it takes to cure so many problems is glucose, then he has no excuse not to look optimal.
But it's different in the case of people like Ray and Georgy because they were experimenting all the time and didn't claim that no matter what their condition was, they could take more glucose and it would be fine.
All these people, use their brains non-stop on research and solving complex problems (the organ that consumes the most glucose in the body) and this accelerates the aging process, even if you manage to maintain it at the highest levels with precise additions - but in the case of the doctor this is not relevant, because he Says you only need an addition of glucose and everything works out...
I think you misunderstand his work. He says you provide the macros first (mainly glucose and protein), and see where you are after the initial trial period. Then you can start adding whatever micro nutrients are needed, which some find are less than needed pre-glucose.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko Are you under the age of 50?
Yes. But I sped up the aging process for myself and was biologically probably over 80 before I hit 30.
And all the clients I help today to improve their metabolic rate, are 50-60+ years old.
I discovered Ray Peat 20 years ago. I have done everything...lots of milk,.OJ, thyroid (T3, NDT), avoided seed and nut oils all this time, but nothing ever brought my temperature up until I started taking glucose. My temperature is still doing well even though I've cut back on it. My husband's temps were even worse than mine, and for 20 years, eating and avoiding the same foods as me, still no progress. Glucose was the only thing that also brought his out of the 96's (all day) to consistent 98's. He never leaves the house without his bottle of glucose lemonade.
First of all, this is amazing and happy to hear!
I was only exposed to him about 10 years ago, but I didn't save myself by applying Ray Peat's principles, I did it by learning how the systems work, how the situation can be changed with diet, lifestyle and especially synthetic substances, vitamins, Minerals, hormones and other special substances.
People get confused thinking that diet and lifestyle can be sufficient to repair decades of damage and while living under stress in a toxic environment in most cases.
I have played with my hormones, vitamins, minerals, neurotransmitters and more probably thousands of times to this day, to understand how things work precisely in the brain and the rest of the body.
The glucose thing is really something that allows us to understand the picture a little better and find more effective ways to get out of difficult situations. But there is no way that alone is enough.
Look at how the doctor and others who apply the protocol and present successes look like - a fat and not fit body does not show an optimal metabolism, no matter what they tell me, this cannot be the case and if the metabolism is not optimal - there are problems. We also need to know how to check temperature and pulse for it to be reliable. It's not necessarily that simple.
To reach such abilities, the genius Ray Peat is not enough, you also need a lot of effective and precise practice that can be learned from people like Georgy Dinkov and others.
By the way, people like to look at people who claim to understand how the body works and how to bring it to an optimal state. I also did it now in the message, but there is a small difference:
When the doctor says that all it takes to cure so many problems is glucose, then he has no excuse not to look optimal.
But it's different in the case of people like Ray and Georgy because they were experimenting all the time and didn't claim that no matter what their condition was, they could take more glucose and it would be fine.
All these people, use their brains non-stop on research and solving complex problems (the organ that consumes the most glucose in the body) and this accelerates the aging process, even if you manage to maintain it at the highest levels with precise additions - but in the case of the doctor this is not relevant, because he Says you only need an addition of glucose and everything works out...
You misunderstand his work. He says you provide the macros first (mainly glucose and protein), and see where you are after the initial trial period. Then you can start adding whatever micro nutrients are needed, which some find are less than needed pre-glucose.
To be honest, I haven't delved into his work. I watched the first video of about two hours and realized that he discovered something amazing, but he has no idea how our bodies really work. And from that point, I found no sense in hearing his following theories about what is happening in the body. Only the evidence he accumulated could be interesting to advance the research, but I wouldn't trust them either. People like to exaggerate.
You know what's funny? It is known that diabetes can be treated with high sugar consumption, such as rice, even before the wasting disease was called diabetes...
It's all about wasting "disease"
He just took the glucose from the rice and separated the body from the brain. Genius
In the past people would mainly lose weight, nowadays due to pufa, estrogen, general diet and other factors, people with "wasting disease" can also gain weight.
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@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
It seems that you are mainly relying here on beautiful stories of a doctor who has no idea how the body works and mostly he was a little lucky to discover the wonders of sugar.
You went too far with the theories in my opinion.
I think it is nothing more than the difference between the combination with fructose can burden the liver and sucrose which is not sure what its breakdown can be in everyone's intestine.
Instead of trying to complete the logic of Ray Peat's research, you are dealing with a doctor who does not understand anything and looking for answers in irrelevant places.
Most of the answers to all your problems already exist in Ray Peat's research
You searched for a miracle cure and found yourself exerting yourself to the same extent as you would if you had invested in understanding bioenergetics in depth.
Experimenting and collecting evidence, cases and reactions is extremely important, but I would recommend continuing to try to build the logic according to the bioenergetic approach and not try to reinvent the wheel. It won't go well for sure...
Who are you addressing here? And have you read the entire thread? It's full of experimenting and collecting evidence, and building logic.
To me what you're saying comes across as unnecessarily rude. If you don't have an interest in glucose there are plenty other bioenergetic spaces where you can go play, where no one is talking about glucose.
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@gentlepotato said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@sharko said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
It seems that you are mainly relying here on beautiful stories of a doctor who has no idea how the body works and mostly he was a little lucky to discover the wonders of sugar.
You went too far with the theories in my opinion.
I think it is nothing more than the difference between the combination with fructose can burden the liver and sucrose which is not sure what its breakdown can be in everyone's intestine.
Instead of trying to complete the logic of Ray Peat's research, you are dealing with a doctor who does not understand anything and looking for answers in irrelevant places.
Most of the answers to all your problems already exist in Ray Peat's research
You searched for a miracle cure and found yourself exerting yourself to the same extent as you would if you had invested in understanding bioenergetics in depth.
Experimenting and collecting evidence, cases and reactions is extremely important, but I would recommend continuing to try to build the logic according to the bioenergetic approach and not try to reinvent the wheel. It won't go well for sure...
Who are you addressing here? And have you read the entire thread? It's full of experimenting and collecting evidence, and building logic.
To me what you're saying comes across as unnecessarily rude. If you don't have an interest in glucose there are plenty other bioenergetic spaces where you can go play, where no one is talking about glucose.
I saw your messages and the truth is that they made me feel that my message was not selective enough, but in my opinion these are the main messages that linked Ray's research to the story seriously.
In any case, I mainly referred to the preoccupation with asking the doctor's opinion and waiting for new "scientific" knowledge that he will publish, as if looking to replace a deep understanding of how the organism works, with a beautiful story that does not require much mental effort.
There is nothing new under the sun. As I wrote in the previous message, 100 years ago they already knew that the wasting disease could be treated with rice and he distilled it into glucose, but he invented unscientific theories that people are waiting to hear about, instead of understanding that the whole story here is a more accurate distillation of fuel that does not have to go through obstacles on the way and can work in a way Similar with white rice in most cases, like 100 years ago.