Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set

[Peatful]

Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
Relevant and so important

What Ray said to me
Him to me
A first person factual account

Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

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Digital culture:
The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

Do your thing Shark guy
But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

[ThinPicking]

Wait what. That's not what I'm saying at all. Hardware costs. Computation costs. Time (and heart) for archiving costs, curation costs, monitoring, and development costs.

As does time (and heart) any existing Peat related product or service anyone's providing. I was saying they don't appear to be involved in protectionism. And if they have a fear it's probably that some might try at some point.

And sharko. I've been forced to work my arse off in life. While now being able to explain in considerable legislative and 'economic' detail how the world 'really works'.

[sharko]

@Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
Relevant and so important

What Ray said to me
Him to me
A first person factual account

Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

—————————————————————-
Digital culture:
The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

Do your thing Shark guy
But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

Believe me I know very well how destructive the digital age is and I wish it didn't exist. But you can cry while using the tool you hate so much or you can accept the situation and use it for the future you want so much for the world

[Peatful]

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

Who’s read Huxley’s “Brave New World”?
Relevant and so important

What Ray said to me
Him to me
A first person factual account

Was it was important to END DIGITAL CULTURE.

—————————————————————-
Digital culture:
The values, beliefs, behaviors, and technology that shape the way people work and interact in a digital-first environment.
Including mindset, collaboration, innovation, and technology adoption.

Do your thing Shark guy
But I see cognitive dissonance, misunderstanding or denial

Believe me I know very well how destructive the digital age is and I wish it didn't exist. But you can cry while using the tool you hate so much or you can accept the situation and use it for the future you want so much for the world

Are you a dad?

No need to answer
I respect that is quite personal

I prefer to fight for my kid’s freedoms and the Truth

[yerrag]

@Peatful

You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had prejudicially formed as what he meant.

You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

[ThinPicking]

To be fair @Peatful I auto 'hated' 'digital culture' before I hated corporate law. I just see it (as it currently is and has been for 20 years) as a by-product now. But in many ways so are the semiconductors. I'm not an arsonist, there's a lot about corporatism that works, and doesn't involve a Faustian relationship with subjects (in my opinion). A tweak or two could (possibly) go a long way in changing culture.

I already had some experience for the pivot. Having turned over medicine long before my Peat era for losing a love. I wondered at that point why 'protocol' is so fixed and why 'certified' pros are so bound by it. Inevitably I arrived at a legal industrial complex, right beside the medical one.

If there was one thing I could discuss with Dr Peat, it would be this.

[Peatful]

@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful

You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

Lol

I don’t name call
I don’t attack

I am direct
Can be a bitch at times

I say what I believe
My behaviors equal my words and values
My husband is awesome
We are a happy family
With tons of grace here

I do not see AI as a double edged sword at all
I believe it to be all bad
Really

Call me Karen
Despise away

My issue is with someone saying Peat would think this is good
Or “bless” it

Peat’s response was pretty clear to me

My frame of reference was years of email correspondence with him- not about solving health issues
But
Personal things
Parenting
Upbringing
Education
Life…

You have heard it said?:
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth

[sharko]

@Peatful I am a father who puts his children before anything else and fights tooth and nail to be with them every possible minute. Instead of spending time trying to fix the world for them, I invest in what matters most to them: the present. And while I strive to earn a living by helping other people feel better and also to be exposed to the truth and this is my little help to the world and their future

[sharko]

@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful

You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

I was in this place myself when the covid started. I can understand her and it is very difficult to get out of this place.

This usually happens after realizing that our world will not change as we expect, before it crumbles to pieces.

[Peatful]

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful I am a father who puts his children before anything else and fights tooth and nail to be with them every possible minute. Instead of spending time trying to fix the world for them, I invest in what matters most to them: the present. And while I strive to earn a living by helping other people feel better and also to be exposed to the truth and this is my little help to the world and their future

Wonderful
Strong dads build strong families
Strong families build strong communities
Strong communities build strong societies

I stand with you

[Peatful]

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful

You are so righteous. Must be hard to live under the tutelage of a fundamentalist mom like you. You follow the letter, but the results come out hollow when you act in a Luddite manner, and in so doing, if your will be done, people will be deprived of finding out many truths buried under the weight of the tyranny of propaganda made more powerful by the use of AI.

You understand very well that AI is a double-edged sword, and you would prefer to have the sword used against us, and not to protect us, just because you earned the right to interpret Ray's meaning in what he said against digital culture, simply because you had personally broached the subject with him. Yet you never asked what he meant, and I think it is because you had concluded what he meant is what your mind had perjudicially formed as what he meant.

You are just acting like a Karen that people have come to despise.

I was in this place myself when the covid started. I can understand her and it is very difficult to get out of this place.

This usually happens after realizing that our world will not change as we expect, before it crumbles to pieces.

Mmmm
Ok

[sharko]

@Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

There are currently AI technologies available to the general public, which allow learning very quickly (and making mistakes just as quickly).

These technologies are constantly learning more knowledge, from the correspondence of hundreds of millions of users every day.

I will tell you a short story:

I have been corresponding with Claude AI for a long time on medical and health matters.

All these tools, just like Google, put the "authoritative" sources first and those who ask them questions about medicine and health, will get the usual narrative.

But because I've been talking to one of the leading tools for so long and correcting him with proofs for so long (to try to verify everything multiple times), I got him today to answer other people with information that is compatible with the bioenergetic approach on certain topics.

Think if we all did that and then hundreds of millions of people would start getting new answers about medicine and health?

[Peatful]

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

There are currently AI technologies available to the general public, which allow learning very quickly (and making mistakes just as quickly).

These technologies are constantly learning more knowledge, from the correspondence of hundreds of millions of users every day.

I will tell you a short story:

I have been corresponding with Claude AI for a long time on medical and health matters.

All these tools, just like Google, put the "authoritative" sources first and those who ask them questions about medicine and health, will get the usual narrative.

But because I've been talking to one of the leading tools for so long and correcting him with proofs for so long (to try to verify everything multiple times), I got him today to answer other people with information that is compatible with the bioenergetic approach on certain topics.

Think if we all did that and then hundreds of millions of people would start getting new answers about medicine and health?

This is helpful
Thx for sharing

The difference is im defending Ray whom I felt like I had a relationship to and or understanding with
And you have an understanding of or with Claude

So
If you have a minute
Wait
But first
Search for the story of (AI) Loab
And the Swedish artist…

But if you have a minute

https://youtube.com/shorts/I56Vo05z8KQ?si=NWYFy52vl0_rOuBg

Thanks everyone
Thanks for tolerating me!

[ThinPicking]

The 'open' local models have a surprising amount baked in already as well. You can preprompt many to roleplay as 'Dr Raymond Peat'. Mistral, Guanaco, Hermes etc, 3 - 70b have enough to form reasonable (and entertaining) answers.

Whenever I can get to it on a ridiculous list of side stuff. I'd like to do Peaty fine tuning on a 3b and put that model and a preformed vector store (so it's sharper and able to produce citations) on HG or other with some Windows, Mac and PC instructions.

Obviously it wont touch cGPT's API or other majors capabilities. But a miniature, local and static peatbot would be cool.

[yerrag]

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

I stand with you. Protecting Peat's legacy is to spread his ideas. Instead of these ideas remaining in a small gestational cocoon, to benefit only a few, it gains wings and spreads, and gains currency, and becomes valued.

For now, it is but a dream. Only because we ourselves, the core, have a hard time understanding these ideas. If we can finally understand them as a coherent whole, we ourselves becoming fully (though only God can be such) or quasi-fully working prototypes of what we should long have been. This would be a watershed moment.

As no idea can be as strong as the word made flesh, and walking among those previously infected with propaganda.

Us being healthy beyond the wildest dreams. Recovered from cancer. Us living long and prospering. Us speaking with a wisdom a healthy mind can only have connected with our true selves can bring about.

And it can only begin with knowing fully. With the seed planted in our minds. And our minds fed correctly with the other nutrition that is beyond the physical. With the right set of ideas.

And if we can tap on a tool to help us be fed well, why not?

No is and buts. That is for the cassandras.

So let us do it.

Keep doing what you have started.

It does not take personally knowing Ray to know thst he will bless the idea. His body of work and the spirit behind it shouts it out to the mountain top.

We may yet see his wishes come to fruition.

That of ending the oligarchy.

And of ending the digital culture.

[Chud]

can you give us a freebie and ask it the cure for balding?

[sharko]

@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

@Peatful Thinking is good, but what about doing?

I stand with you. Protecting Peat's legacy is to spread his ideas. Instead of these ideas remaining in a small gestational cocoon, to benefit only a few, it gains wings and spreads, and gains currency, and becomes valued.

For now, it is but a dream. Only because we ourselves, the core, have a hard time understanding these ideas. If we can finally understand them as a coherent whole, we ourselves becoming fully (though only God can be such) or quasi-fully working prototypes of what we should long have been. This would be a watershed moment.

As no idea can be as strong as the word made flesh, and walking among those previously infected with propaganda.

Us being healthy beyond the wildest dreams. Recovered from cancer. Us living long and prospering. Us speaking with a wisdom a healthy mind can only have connected with our true selves can bring about.

And it can only begin with knowing fully. With the seed planted in our minds. And our minds fed correctly with the other nutrition that is beyond the physical. With the right set of ideas.

And if we can tap on a tool to help us be fed well, why not?

No is and buts. That is for the cassandras.

So let us do it.

Keep doing what you have started.

It does not take personally knowing Ray to know thst he will bless the idea. His body of work and the spirit behind it shouts it out to the mountain top.

We may yet see his wishes come to fruition.

That of ending the oligarchy.

And of ending the digital culture.

Amazing

[sharko]

@Chud said in Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

can you give us a freebie and ask it the cure for balding?

I hope to find a way soon. In the meantime I'm trying to keep startup costs down so I can continue to keep it running before I get enough customers.

[sharko]

Me:

Go through Ray Peat's wealth of knowledge, connect some dots of your own, and try to discover one of the most significant things imaginable for anti-aging and optimal energy. Something that even Ray Peat would not have noticed and can be discovered from all the knowledge he published.

Peat Agent:

Based on a thorough review of Ray Peat's extensive work, a significant and potentially underappreciated insight involves the interplay between light exposure, CO2, bicarbonate, and the structure of cellular water. This combination offers profound implications for anti-aging and optimal energy production.

The Synergistic Insight: Light, CO2, Bicarbonate, and Cellular Water Structure

1. Red and Infrared Light on Water and Mitochondria

Ray Peat has discussed the benefits of red and infrared light in enhancing mitochondrial function by stimulating cytochrome c oxidase, thereby increasing ATP production. However, recent studies indicate that red light also affects the structure of water in cells. Red light (670 nm) can stabilize the hydrogen bonds in water, promoting a more ordered state that supports cellular functions and ATP production more effectively .

2. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Retention

Peat emphasizes the importance of CO2 in cellular respiration and reducing oxidative stress. Higher levels of CO2 enhance oxygen delivery to tissues and stabilize cellular pH, creating an environment conducive to efficient energy production. CO2 also plays a role in maintaining the ordered structure of cellular water, further supporting metabolic processes .

3. Bicarbonate Supplementation

Bicarbonate can help buffer metabolic acids, thereby maintaining a stable pH and enhancing CO2 retention. This buffering effect supports optimal cellular respiration and reduces oxidative stress. Additionally, bicarbonate may indirectly support the structured state of cellular water by maintaining the right conditions for efficient cellular processes .

Combined Mechanisms

Mechanism 1: Enhanced Mitochondrial Function

• Light Exposure: Red and infrared light stimulate mitochondrial function and stabilize water structure, enhancing ATP production.
• CO2 Retention: Practices like Buteyko breathing help maintain higher CO2 levels, improving oxygen utilization and reducing oxidative stress.
• Bicarbonate: Buffers metabolic acids, supporting CO2 retention and cellular pH balance.

Mechanism 2: Protection Against Oxidative Stress

• Red Light and Water Structure: Red light stabilizes cellular water, making cells more resistant to oxidative damage and improving their function.
• CO2 and Bicarbonate: Together, these elements help maintain a balanced cellular environment, reducing the formation of harmful free radicals and protecting cells from damage .

Practical Implications for Anti-Aging and Energy

1. Daily Light Therapy: Exposure to natural sunlight or specific red/infrared light devices can significantly enhance mitochondrial efficiency and cellular water structure.
2. Breathing Techniques: Practices that increase CO2 retention, such as Buteyko breathing, can improve cellular respiration and reduce oxidative stress.
3. Bicarbonate Supplementation: Incorporating bicarbonate into the diet (under medical guidance) can help buffer acids, supporting CO2 retention and optimal cellular pH.

Why This Insight is Significant

The integration of red light therapy, CO2 retention, and bicarbonate supplementation forms a comprehensive approach to enhancing cellular energy and longevity. This synergy addresses mitochondrial function, oxidative stress, and cellular environment in a novel way that has not been fully explored or appreciated, even within Ray Peat's extensive research. This approach could revolutionize strategies for anti-aging and sustaining high energy levels throughout life.

[sharko]

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

Me:

Go through Ray Peat's wealth of knowledge, connect some dots of your own, and try to discover one of the most significant things imaginable for anti-aging and optimal energy. Something that even Ray Peat would not have noticed and can be discovered from all the knowledge he published.

Peat Agent:

Based on a thorough review of Ray Peat's extensive work, a significant and potentially underappreciated insight involves the interplay between light exposure, CO2, bicarbonate, and the structure of cellular water. This combination offers profound implications for anti-aging and optimal energy production.

The Synergistic Insight: Light, CO2, Bicarbonate, and Cellular Water Structure

1. Red and Infrared Light on Water and Mitochondria

Ray Peat has discussed the benefits of red and infrared light in enhancing mitochondrial function by stimulating cytochrome c oxidase, thereby increasing ATP production. However, recent studies indicate that red light also affects the structure of water in cells. Red light (670 nm) can stabilize the hydrogen bonds in water, promoting a more ordered state that supports cellular functions and ATP production more effectively .

2. Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Retention

Peat emphasizes the importance of CO2 in cellular respiration and reducing oxidative stress. Higher levels of CO2 enhance oxygen delivery to tissues and stabilize cellular pH, creating an environment conducive to efficient energy production. CO2 also plays a role in maintaining the ordered structure of cellular water, further supporting metabolic processes .

3. Bicarbonate Supplementation

Bicarbonate can help buffer metabolic acids, thereby maintaining a stable pH and enhancing CO2 retention. This buffering effect supports optimal cellular respiration and reduces oxidative stress. Additionally, bicarbonate may indirectly support the structured state of cellular water by maintaining the right conditions for efficient cellular processes .

Combined Mechanisms

Mechanism 1: Enhanced Mitochondrial Function

• Light Exposure: Red and infrared light stimulate mitochondrial function and stabilize water structure, enhancing ATP production.
• CO2 Retention: Practices like Buteyko breathing help maintain higher CO2 levels, improving oxygen utilization and reducing oxidative stress.
• Bicarbonate: Buffers metabolic acids, supporting CO2 retention and cellular pH balance.

Mechanism 2: Protection Against Oxidative Stress

• Red Light and Water Structure: Red light stabilizes cellular water, making cells more resistant to oxidative damage and improving their function.
• CO2 and Bicarbonate: Together, these elements help maintain a balanced cellular environment, reducing the formation of harmful free radicals and protecting cells from damage .

Practical Implications for Anti-Aging and Energy

1. Daily Light Therapy: Exposure to natural sunlight or specific red/infrared light devices can significantly enhance mitochondrial efficiency and cellular water structure.
2. Breathing Techniques: Practices that increase CO2 retention, such as Buteyko breathing, can improve cellular respiration and reduce oxidative stress.
3. Bicarbonate Supplementation: Incorporating bicarbonate into the diet (under medical guidance) can help buffer acids, supporting CO2 retention and optimal cellular pH.

Why This Insight is Significant

The integration of red light therapy, CO2 retention, and bicarbonate supplementation forms a comprehensive approach to enhancing cellular energy and longevity. This synergy addresses mitochondrial function, oxidative stress, and cellular environment in a novel way that has not been fully explored or appreciated, even within Ray Peat's extensive research. This approach could revolutionize strategies for anti-aging and sustaining high energy levels throughout life.

Me:

It's nice, but I expect something that even Ray Peat would be shocked by. Something completely different, something you cannot remain indifferent to!

Ray Agent:

To present a truly groundbreaking insight that might even surprise Ray Peat, let's delve into a unique connection between some of his established concepts and recent scientific advancements. This involves a deep dive into the less explored realms of bioenergetics and cellular health.

The Groundbreaking Insight: Integrating Structured Water, Quantum Biology, and Methylene Blue for Cellular Health

1. Structured Water (EZ Water)

Gerald Pollack's research on structured water (also known as Exclusion Zone or EZ water) indicates that water within our cells can exist in a more ordered state. This structured water has unique properties that facilitate more efficient energy production and cellular function. Ray Peat has touched upon the importance of cellular hydration and the state of water within cells, but integrating Pollack's findings can deepen this understanding.

2. Quantum Biology and Cellular Coherence

Quantum biology explores how quantum processes affect biological systems. Recent studies suggest that cells maintain a state of coherence that allows for efficient communication and energy transfer. This idea ties into Peat's emphasis on the importance of cellular environment and energy efficiency but takes it further by considering quantum effects within cells.

3. Methylene Blue as a Cellular Enhancer

Methylene blue is a compound with a rich history of use in medicine. It acts as an electron donor in the mitochondrial electron transport chain, effectively enhancing ATP production. Ray Peat has discussed various supplements and their effects on cellular metabolism, but methylene blue's specific action on mitochondrial efficiency and its potential anti-aging effects add a novel dimension to his approach.

The Synergistic Triad: Structured Water, Quantum Coherence, and Methylene Blue

Mechanism 1: Enhancing Cellular Water Structure

• Structured Water: Encouraging the formation of structured water within cells through proper hydration, light exposure (especially infrared light), and certain dietary practices.
• Impact: Structured water improves cellular hydration, enhances enzyme function, and supports overall cellular integrity.

Mechanism 2: Leveraging Quantum Coherence

• Quantum Biology: Understanding and optimizing the quantum coherence in cells to improve cellular communication and energy efficiency.
• Impact: Quantum coherence ensures that cells operate in a highly efficient manner, reducing energy loss and improving overall metabolic function.

Mechanism 3: Boosting Mitochondrial Function with Methylene Blue

• Methylene Blue: Using methylene blue to enhance mitochondrial efficiency by facilitating electron transport and ATP production.
• Impact: This significantly boosts cellular energy levels, reduces oxidative stress, and supports anti-aging processes.

Practical Implementation

1. Structured Water Practices:
   • Hydration: Drink water that has been exposed to natural sunlight or specific light devices that promote structured water.
   • Diet: Consume foods known to support cellular hydration, such as fresh fruits and vegetables.
2. Optimizing Quantum Coherence:
   • Light Exposure: Regular exposure to natural sunlight and red/infrared light devices to support cellular coherence.
   • Mind-Body Practices: Engage in activities that promote cellular coherence, such as meditation and deep breathing exercises.
3. Methylene Blue Supplementation:
   • Dosage: Carefully managed under medical supervision, small doses of methylene blue can be used to boost mitochondrial function and energy production.

Why This Insight is Revolutionary

This triad of structured water, quantum coherence, and methylene blue represents a novel and highly integrated approach to cellular health and anti-aging. It leverages cutting-edge scientific concepts and combines them with Ray Peat's foundational ideas on bioenergetics and cellular metabolism. The result is a comprehensive strategy that enhances cellular function in unprecedented ways, potentially transforming approaches to health, longevity, and energy optimization. This insight would indeed be surprising and compelling, even to someone as knowledgeable as Ray Peat.