Have 2500 ng/dl testosterone and my life ruined
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I've had low testosterone for years as a side effect of my bad diet and vaping (not sure if these arethe reason), along with that high estrogen, this lead me into a rabbit hole of trying to get higher testosterone and potentially becoming the male i want to become (strong, not balding) . I started using mk 677 and CJC-1295, this only took my testosterone from 400 to 600, but i was still not seeing the benefits of having "high testosterone" as the YouTubers i've been watching preached (mpmd, hamza etc) . I took the risk and purchased actual test steroids, peptides work by stimulating the production of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), which in turn stimulate the testes to produce more testosterone. I then took the risk and bought actual test steroids to see if this would "cure" my low testosterone. Peptides and steroids are both similar yet polar opposites. The main difference, however, that steroids increase testosterone levels unnaturally in the body whereas peptides simply increase the signal allowing the body to create more of this hormone naturally. I took 500 mg per day, taken 4 times per day, morning, mid day, afternoon, night. Common doses of people using testosterone by even bodybuilders are 50-200mg per day, this means that a normal guy like me not doing anything that's special took double the dosage of a bodybuilder. What i didn't think would happen is that my life would be ruined. My intelligence is lowered, all i can think about is sex, even when doing simple stuff as watching youtube or working, without being panic mode and all i can think about is sex. My brain is like a caveman, i would've thrived 30000 years ago. I cant focus or achieve anything, only thinking but dem ***** all day long. Someone said thats maybe excess estrogen, anyone managed to control this power? I'm not even horny, i just think about it because my brain can't stop. I haven't tested an aromatase inhibitor tho, one post suggests that when you have high estrogen, your body feels like it's in a panic state to mate, which means that every woman you see you are attracted to, even ones you would think are ugly. I know Ray said that high estrogen causes "insatiable sexual interest". This isn't just the one side effect i have. I get headaches all the time. I sneeze blood. Please help i can't live like this, how do i fix it. I cant stop having side effects for even one hour. Could this even be testosterone, is it serotonin, or something else? The only way i don't feel this way is when i'm eating or drinking sugar stuff.
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@2500man Does drinking salty water, salty like the sea, help?
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@INTPeatler Only sugar helps
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@2500man How does your liver feel?
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you answered your own question, those doses are used by bodybuilders for a cycle and they always use AI
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@thyroidchor27 How do i cure it, i cant live like this
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@2500man Aspirin may help in the short term. Orange peel tea has given good results in the past.
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@INTPeatler I can't live like thls
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You accidentally turned yourself into a himbo. I'd get your other hormone levels checked out.
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I assume you have halted the T if not are tapering it off?
Look at what Ray has said about these doses of T, a lot will be converted into estrogen. Progesterone could be a substance to test as it would both lower your T (in higher doses) and estrogen. I've heard Ray say that only low doses of things like T should be used and only when you have everything else in check like thyroid calcium, vitamin D etc. Hopefully this helps
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@2500man i used to think getting LH higher was a goal and I might have done this 10 years ago if I had found out about these peptides, I definitely would have thought it was the answer too. Later I found out that Peat thought LH and FSH were irritating pro-fibrotic hormones like all the rest of the pituitary hormones. Sorry to hear what you’re going through.
The peptides have doubtless activated the pituitary as that’s their mechanism of action from what you’ve shared with us. Please someone let me know if I’m off-base with this but I would expect Ray would say that lowering estrogen at the synthesis and receptor levels with thyroid and progesterone would tend to calm down the pituitary excitation, and that thyroid is the main thing for reducing pituitary activity. Maybe get other pituitary hormones like TSH and prolactin checked as well to see if the peptides have affected them too? Do you have any info about how long the stimulating effect of the peptides is supposed to last?
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Sorry for above post. Yes I understand now it is the steroids which are doing this to you. Yes it’s excess estrogen. Peat said estrogen was responsible for libido (weight loss for women podcast “the estrogen industry” 14:52)) and for leakiness of blood vessels, so it explains the sneezing blood as well.
Peat said 1mg makes more sense as a dose with healthy young men making about 2-3mg daily if memory serves, and so he thought 100mg was “ridiculous” so what you took was definitely a crazy amount. I’ve read that bodybuilders take many times more though, like 5,000mg.
This will calm down, but for the time being natural aromatase inhibitors like white button mushrooms (and maybe aspirin?) should give some relief and maybe help speed things along too. And b-vitamins especially vitamin b1 and b2 which are essential for the liver’s estrogen detox process would be very important to get the estrogen out of your system as well. It will wear off, don’t worry.
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@Sugar High estrogen
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What OP is experiencing in regards to an obsession with sex and thinking less seems to be the perspective that steroid users get themselves into, most of the time on purpose. If you go from being the overthinker to being the dumb alpha at bars and clubs, suddenly much more sexual opportunities open up. Most men aren't sexual masterminds, hooking up with chick after chick, which is why they need recreational drugs or steroids to do so. While it very well could be high estrogen, this could also be the side effects of too much testosterone with not enough outlets to utilize this. With levels this high you would definitely need to have a lot of sex or masturbate every single day to calm down. Again, this can be too much testosterone for our modern environment. Steroid users are animals compared to the modern population. You can definitely be too horny or too aggressive for your own good with supraphysiological testosterone levels in modern times.
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@Sugar the mentality of extreme horniness matches that of most normal teenage boys too. Sounds like he’s just got it to a greater degree. Estrogen is an immediate downstream metabolite of testosterone, it all goes together.
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@vocedilegno Well his levels are more than double the testosterone of a teenage boy. Definitely an unmanageable amount of testosterone for someone who isn't an extreme bodybuilder. He transformed himself into a sex obsessed caveman. He needs to lower his test dosage, it's not sustainable.
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@Sugar sounds like we agree
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@Sugar It may also be estrogen
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Going to need some actual details here.
- What exactly did you take?
- How did you take it (injection, oral, etc.)?
- When did you stop taking it?
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I think about this thread once in a while to this day.
