I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?
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@Serotoninskeptic Those are good points. I think everyone can see his opinions evolved over the years and his supporters opinions get intertwined with his.
I could have sworn he said somewhere that 33:33:33 would be good macros or a it's something he told a supporter. 33 percent carbs is a low carb diet. Americans eat closer to 50 percent.
But a 50 percent fat (which I recall him saying he ate in the past) and high protein diet is closer to 25 percent carbs. It would be interesting if he spent most of his life eating more like that. A 25 percent carb diet would definitely qualify as low carb but not nearly keto.
Not long before he died he was interviewed by Danny Roddy who couldn't get RP to say how much fat was too much as long as it wasn't high pufa.
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@Insomniac Yea i remember him saying equal parts of each macro was good many years ago. Towards the end of his life i think he was more high carb/ low fat/low protein judging by the fact he limited his milk/egg consumption to only 50g protein and eas more plant based. I believe he said he ate 500g+ of carbs and sometimes 2k calories from orange juice alone
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That's all I remember
"Sugar helps the liver to make cholesterol, switching from starchy vegetables to sweet fruits will usually bring cholesterol levels up to normal. If the fat is mostly saturated, from milk, cheese, butter, beef, lamb or coconut oil, I think it's usually o.k. to get about 50% of the calories from fat, but since those natural fats typically contain around 2% polyunsaturated fats, I try to minimize my PUFA intake by having more fruit, and a little less fat, maybe 30 to 35%." -Ray Peat
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@TexugoDoMel Thank you. That's the quote I remembered. I doubt I ever read he ate 50% calories as fat.
But 35 percent is just slightly less than a standard American diet. I remembered him talking about making food from coconut oil like he was at least experimenting with high saturated fat diets.
I think he was only low fat for a few years.
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@Serotoninskeptic said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Insomniac Yea i remember him saying equal parts of each macro was good many years ago. Towards the end of his life i think he was more high carb/ low fat/low protein judging by the fact he limited his milk/egg consumption to only 50g protein and eas more plant based. I believe he said he ate 500g+ of carbs and sometimes 2k calories from orange juice alone
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary, elderly man.
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@Insomniac Yeah, that's a big if. Another theory that I remember from the old forum was that he had Vitamin A toxicity, and the reason he started incorporating more veggies and oatbran, sources of soluble fiber, was to detox the VA and help in bile recirculation.
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@GreekDemiGod said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
Another theory that I remember from the old forum was that he had Vitamin A toxicity
It sounds like a very self-serving theory (to support the newly redirected forum).
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@DavidPS Yea definitely
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@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor
It may be hard to optimize for a healthspan (quality) and lifespan (adding years) simultaneously...
Especially if someone didn't start in perfect conditions...so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary elderly man IMO..
I guess that manipulating mTOR can be a double-edged sword... In Ray's age, one small step too far i.e. out of balance could have been decisive...
Especially with all the PFAS, pesticides, and plastic everywhere... Plus a grim outlook for our world...A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
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@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Serotoninskeptic said in [I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring ca
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary elderly man imo..depends on what kind of protein. less methionine less cysteine more glycine, favoring preservation rather than building of structure.
not sure if high carb isn't helpful with elderly people. my koi when mature eat less protein and more carb as too much protein ends up not utilized and end up as waste. nitrogenous waste such as ammonia and nitrates are stressful.
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@yerrag said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Serotoninskeptic said in [I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring ca
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary elderly man imo..depends on what kind of protein. less methionine less cysteine more glycine, favoring preservation rather than building of structure.
not sure if high carb isn't helpful with elderly people. my koi when mature eat less protein and more carb as too much protein ends up not utilized and end up as waste. nitrogenous waste such as ammonia and nitrates are stressful.
@yerrag There is really no way to say with confidence what's best to way to eat for any individual however I've come to the opinion that lots of activity like walking or gardening in the case of the elderly is very important for high carb diets . Europeans especially shouldn't carb load and then sit at a computer. It becomes a net negative although you mention positives. This is just my opinion but I've spent some time thinking about it.
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@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@TexugoDoMel Thank you. That's the quote I remembered. I doubt I ever read he ate 50% calories as fat.
But 35 percent is just slightly less than a standard American diet. I remembered him talking about making food from coconut oil like he was at least experimenting with high saturated fat diets.
I think he was only low fat for a few years.
Perhaps because english isn't my first language, the first time I read this quote, especially the “little less fat, maybe 30 to 35%” part, I interpreted it as “little less fat, maybe 30 to 35% less”.
The few times I've seen him comment on his diet, he didn't seem to be eating all that much fat
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@Kvirion said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
I always wonder if his last diet killed him or bought him some time. Out of nowhere he's talking about slowing aging and mtor
It may be hard to optimize for a healthspan (quality) and lifespan (adding years) simultaneously...
Especially if someone didn't start in perfect conditions...so I assume he was trying to biohack with low protein and high carb but high carb is probably not great for a sedentary elderly man IMO..
I guess that manipulating mTOR can be a double-edged sword... In Ray's age, one small step too far i.e. out of balance could have been decisive...
Especially with all the PFAS, pesticides, and plastic everywhere... Plus a grim outlook for our world...I think he may have figured this out. In one his last interviews with Patrick Timpone, Timpone said something like RP is off all the vegetables.
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@TexugoDoMel I'm not clear on the timeline. Actually I'm not even sure when he gave the quote you posted.
He always mentioned 1% milk and orange juice. But I think he also liked cheese and he had a recipe for coconut oil ice cream. Honestly, he may have been changing things all the time over his life.
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@Insomniac said in I remember Ray Peat saying he used to eat lowish carb. Does anyone know around what age he switched to favoring carbs/sugar?:
I think he may have figured this out. In one his last interviews with Patrick Timpone, Timpone said something like RP is off all the vegetables.
Interesting, thanks. I will check it.
BTW I'm just listening to probably Ray's last interview with Georgi and Danny when he explained his mTor/methionine restriction, sugar intake, etc.
https://open.substack.com/pub/dannyroddy/p/85-protein-restriction-lidocaine?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web×tamp=2555 -
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if you put it down to context, it isn't the age as much as the metabolic health of the elderly as far as being able to burn carbs efficiently. not all elderly are in poor metabolic health but we can agree though that generally they are, being that poor metabolic health when young carries over as one ages. With that having high carb is not helpful at all, but that doesn't have to only apply when one reaches old age.
I don't have to list many reasons, but being able to live a high carb lifestyle and being able to get away with it in good health, fit and trim, free of allergies and aches, and having vibrant energy and a very active and sound mind, in old age, is a matter of being able to use the mitochondria to burn sugar efficiently, and especially being able to produce a lot of CO2. CO², together with its ability to turn acidic as carbonic acid, and to turn alkaline as bicarbonates, gives stability to the pH that governs the virtuous cycles the body depends on to be maintenance and trouble free. Being a perpetually healthy and developing organism allows us to live long and stay useful for ourselves and for society.
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@yerrag I've heard that even light activity has a large effect on glucose disposal and that's why being sedentary is such a large issue. But as one gets older with less muscle it becomes an even bigger issue since the muscle is the main place for glucose disposal.
But also to your point, exercise impacts the mitochondria.
Ray Peat once said something like he does squats every 10 years or something along those lines. He didn't believe in exercise without purpose. My sense was he didn't schedule regular fitness if there was nothing useful to do.
