Diclofenac gel to regrow hair on bald head and beard
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@wester130 said in Diclofenac gel to regrow hair on bald head and beard:
have you considered dermastamping (not rolling) once a week
about 2.5mm is a good length for once a week
I'm a proponent of dermastamping (I have a Derminator) and have done it in the past, but I've never done 2.5mm. That's a little Medieval! I used to do 1.5mm once a week, and it left my scalp pretty torture chamber looking. Maybe I'll work my way up to 2.5mm. Really, I'm just attempting to establish a plan, with regard to how to approach hair loss. I've tried many things, over several decades, and nothing has kept me ahead of the curve. I'd have to say red light (laser), castor oil, and maybe copper peptides have helped keep what was there, but nothing for instance has given me the success this guy below has had.
P.S. Sorry for the large images. I've attempted to scale them down via markdown, but didn't have any luck.
He says:
"I started using the Derminator 2 to microneedle my scalp along with Minoxidil around the end of March. I go once a week at 1.5mm. My results are really good. The befores are from March 18th of this year, about a week before starting the microneedling, and the afters are from Sept. 29 of this year."
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@Hearthfire
Very nice. Also interesting that you're implementing your PGD2 down, and PGE2 up strategy, with the castor oil. Will be good to see how that does. -
I do 3mm once a week
strangely, 1mm hurts more and produces more blood
i think the deeper it goes - the less it hurts - it's a psychological phenomenon
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Luckily found out that 0.5mm is the most effective needle depth. Super easy and painless to do enough passes at that length. Explained here by Perfect Hair Health: https://youtu.be/LxHNpkIKW0E?feature=shared&t=601
This dude Rob from Perfect Hair Health is kinda becoming the defacto expert on hair regrowth. He's very open minded and actually studies esoteric methods of regrowth with his company. Wheras people in general still think only fin + min works because that's what mainstream research/science tells them. I think he became popular by studying and posting about scalp massaging as a legitimate method of regrowth.
His website is a great resource for people posting their before and afters, and exactly what they did to achieve it.
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That is quite a contrast: 3mm vs .5mm. I'm all for less pain, so I may try the .5mm approach. And I hear you, @wester130, where the deeper penetration may not equal more pain, but I think I'm going to try this .5mm for 3 months.
Some things worth pointing out are that the participants in the study were primarily women: 14 men, 31 women, and maybe even more surprising, they only microneedled every 2 weeks. That kind of blows my mind. All the years I've researched microneedling, the general consensus was to microneedle as frequently as you can get away with. This new approach is really the best of both worlds — less pain, less work.
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I have vellus hairs growing all over the areas where I've microneedled very sporadically, where it was totally bare skin before, so throw in another case into that pool.
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you are almost there guys, just one more months of microneedling...
Youtube Video – [10:35..] -
@Hearthfire I have microneedled at least 15 times already, at various depths and I have never seen even one vellus hair sprout...what am I doing wrong?
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You need to pair it with other things. I'm doing a whole routine....
Microneedling, homemade growth shampoo, minoxidil, ketoconazole shampoo, rosemary/castor oil/tea tree oil topical massages, oral castor oil.Just last month added (will take a 1-2 months or more to determine if these are helping): Diclofenac, regrowth vitamins, gua sha stone as a tool to better massage and move blood around in the scalp, probably will help relax any tight head muscles which can cause hairloss. The gua sha stone is amazing, anyone going the scalp massages route should definitely get one.
And only microneedle at 0.5mm, it's been studied and the depth with the most benefit is 0.5mm. Check out that Youtube video by Perfect Hair Health I linked above.
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Used the diclofenac 4 times now, no side effects whatsoever. Using 1/4 - 1/2 the upper body dose amount from the dose card.
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@Hearthfire
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I am trying a more natural route and looking into rosemary/hibiscus tincture
as an alcohol tincture, it may wor kbetetr than the oils
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@wester130 Some studies have shown rosemary as effective as minoxidil, definitely a good bet. Some people reported tea made from the leaves as effective. I'm using the oil. I'm having good regrowth, but since I'm doing so many other things I can't say if it's the rosemary. I think it's helping. I can definitely feel it has an effect on the scalp after using it.
Also, diclofenac update: Still no side effects. Still using same dosage. Every other day/every few days.
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@Hearthfire @wester130
I've tried rosemary throughout the years, and I have it on a reminder to use again. Any thoughts on why the tincture or tea would be more absorbable than the oil?@Hearthfire Good news on the Diclofenac.
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I don't know, what's the thought process @wester130 ?
Maybe you can leave it in longer than the oil since it isn't as messy and potently fragrant. I can only do one hour or two with the rosemary oil. Stuff is strong.
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@Hearthfire you use rosemary essential oil? do you dilute it?
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@sushi_is_cringe
Sometimes I mix it with castor oil. Sometimes I just do the rosemary and massage/gua sha. Depends on what I have time for. It's harder to wash the castor oil out of your hair than the rosemary oil.
I also make a homemade shampoo using Dr Bronners castille soap, and I put some rosemary oil in that along with other ingredients that are good for regrowth.
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@Mossy the oil is problematic and too strong
many people used rosemary water, the tincture would work just as well
mix with green tea tincture too, combined with once weekly dermastamping
a rosemary/hibiscus/green tea tincture would be interesting
this person used water,
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@Hearthfire coconut oil seems really nice for hair as well. the guy who i learned the rosemary reccomendation from actually switched to peppermint oil because apparently it is even better.
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@sushi_is_cringe makes sense
mint has commonality with anti histamines
