@sushi_is_cringe I'd be interested in seeing that if you can find it. No worries though. We agree it works, I just think rosemary edges it out.

@sushi_is_cringe

I think it works, but from what actual human studies have shown and from what I've seen online from the overwhelming amount of people providing testimony of things that have worked, rosemary is on top. It's not even close.

I'm gonna need a little more than some random coach you know to prove that it's more effective than rosemary. I think rosemary and peppermint works synergistically, along with other oils like tea tree oil, as they all have anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties, along with the ability to increase blood flow to the scalp etc. Mix them all into castor oil. A lot of people have had incredible results with just castor + rosemary.

No reason to box yourself off to just one.

@sushi_is_cringe said in Diclofenac gel to regrow hair on bald head and beard:

maybe 0.5 better for of head and deeper for front

The studies showed 0.5mm is best, but Perfect Hair Health recommends 0.5 to 0.8. Best to stay under 1mm probably, although I've seen some people who did seriously gory wounding on their head with microneedling and had unbelievably good results after, so I don't know if the studies fully capture the full picture, and different people might respond differently. Just gotta experiment I guess.

@sushi_is_cringe They're not. It's been studied. 0.5mm produces the best results https://youtu.be/LxHNpkIKW0E?feature=shared&t=601

@wester130 Minoxidil does not cause endless shedding. Neither does rosemary. Rosemary is superior to peppermint for regrowth.

@wester130 0.5mm is supposed to be better. Why 2.5mm? sounds painful I could barely tolerate 2mm

@Mossy said in Diclofenac gel to regrow hair on bald head and beard:

Believe it or not, I believe I get sides from topical taurine, which are the same sides I get from taking it internally, which is fatigue and lethargy,

Taurine is a muscle stimulant but also a mind relaxer. It improves your length and deepness of sleep, I've tested it, it works almost too good. That's why you get lethargic on it. People (myself included) also use it in pre-workouts, it is supposed to help with performance and recovery.

Taurine is also a common ingredient in hair growth shampoos, it's in Bloo and some others I've seen. It is known to help with hair growth. I'm using it in my homemade shampoo.

I've been trying to add it to my drinks more often, just sprinkle a little in there. I have to do a large dose to make me feel lethargic, but I've found even smaller doses help with sleep.

Update on diclofenac: Too early to say still, but I swear my vellus hairs are getting thicker in number and longer and some are going terminal in areas where I haven't had terminal hairs in a long time. The biggest changes to my routine has been the diclofenac, some hair growth supplements, and using a gua sha stone pretty vigorously.

I'm gonna add MSM into my routine to thicken the vellus hair, topical and oral. Also saw palmetto topical and oral.

@wester130

If you don't want to make your own and don't want any bad ingredients, here's a good one:

https://fountainheadhair.com/products/rosemary-lavender-growth-oil

Never used this product but its from someone who is into natural, organic non-toxic products. You don't get a lot, but you get the convienience of it being ready made and without any weird ingredients, just the oils.

@sushi_is_cringe @wester130

All I've seen is that everyone says rosemary is better, including the Perfect Hair Health youtube channel IIRC. With peppermint, there were some studies done on mice that showed regrowth, but no studies on humans that I'm aware of. Rosemary was studied on humans and shown to be as effective as minoxidil.

I do think peppermint is beneficial. It's antifungal/antibacterial and increases blood flow. It's in the Dr Bronners castille soap I use as shampoo, so I get rosemary and peppermint. Both bases covered.

@sushi_is_cringe

Sometimes I mix it with castor oil. Sometimes I just do the rosemary and massage/gua sha. Depends on what I have time for. It's harder to wash the castor oil out of your hair than the rosemary oil.

I also make a homemade shampoo using Dr Bronners castille soap, and I put some rosemary oil in that along with other ingredients that are good for regrowth.

@Mossy

I don't know, what's the thought process @wester130 ?

Maybe you can leave it in longer than the oil since it isn't as messy and potently fragrant. I can only do one hour or two with the rosemary oil. Stuff is strong.