Silicon the dietary nutrient

[dapose]

Anyone ever used Orgono G5 siliplant Living Silica? It’s a silica supplement. I really liked it when I used it a few years ago before I discovered Peat and Haiduts thoughts on silica so I stopped using it. But I did notice joint improvement and no gut stress issues. This product claims much better silica absorption than from green beans or banana.

[dapose]

@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Anyone ever used Orgono G5 siliplant Living Silica? It’s a silica supplement. I really liked it when I used it a few years ago before I discovered Peat and Haiduts thoughts on silica so I stopped using it. But I did notice joint improvement and no gut stress issues. This product claims much better silica absorption than from green beans or banana.

Test results with monomethylsilanetriol
(MMST) supplementation in healthy adults demonstrated silicon absorption within 30 minutes of ingestion. Surrogate markers of silicon bioavailability showed 64% of the consumed MMST serving was excreted by the subjects compare tp 43% of a cooked green bean serving and <4% for the ripe banana serving. Results available upon request during normal business hours.

That was from the product label.

[NNight]

@DavidPS thanks.
Seems quite logical as aluminum can be "chelated" by silicon.

[wrl]

@NNight I used to mix DE with water then let it settle and only drink the clear water layer. IIRC the silica is turned into a different water-soluble form?

[LucH]

@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Anyone ever used Orgono G5?

Yes, I've used G5 organic silicium. Fine. Thé one from Ireland. Useful if deficient.
I've made a post on my forum on different forms silicium and test from Dr Willems. I can give a link if interested about "the hype" and the different molecules.

[revenant]

Beer has quite a bit of bioavailable silica:

https://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2010/05/biosil-jarrosil-beer-silicon-experiment.html

[NNight]

@wrl did you find it useful ?

[wrl]

@NNight this was many years ago, I don't recall!

As for absorption, silica does not absorb as silica but rather as orthosilicic acid. This is produced by the reaction of water on silica, though the presence of acid increases this conversion. 
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The absorption of silica is very poor so I found the best way to take it is by adding [DE] to water to begin with. I put a large spoonful in a gallon of water and let it settle out. Once it settles out you cannot taste it. The water will dissolve a tiny amount of the silica to form the orthosilicic acid. The more pure the water is to begin with the more it will dissolve.
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By adding it to a large volume of water you will also get more in to your system as opposed to supplements. If you take a capsule of silica the vast majority will never be absorbed and will just pass through your system. When added to water and drunk throughout the day you will absorb a little each time you drink your water. So in the long run you will end up with more silica entering the bloodstream for use by the body.

[A Former User]

@dapose they determine bioavailability by measuring excretion (urinary?), if less is excreted they say it is less bioavailable. It sounds like they are assuming that when the kidneys are excreting more that means more made its way into the blood. Yet what if the form in banana is actually absorbed and taken up by the cell more, therefore less is available for excretion. Would have to measure feces levels and compare with urinary. When urinary levels rise feces levels should fall and vice versa. Probably not worth running with this further analysis, just a thought.

[Hearthfire]

I'm using this currently, been using it for about a month. 70% silica content. Specifically for it's hair benefits. I think it's helping the vellus hair growth regrowth I've been experiencing.
I take it as supplement and I put it in my hair growth shampoo.

Also noticed my shits have been a lot better, seemed to start happening after I started taking this. Nothing else in the diet changed.

I mean, think about it. Gorillas eat this shit, it's the bulk of their diet. Look how massive, muscular and healthy they are. Hair growing all over.
Sometimes it really is as simple as looking at nature and drawing a logical conclusion. Good for monke = good for me.

[Mossy]

@sushi_is_cringe
Ok, good to know.

[Mossy]

@LucH said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

@dapose said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Anyone ever used Orgono G5?

Yes, I've used G5 organic silicium. Fine. Thé one from Ireland. Useful if deficient.
I've made a post on my forum on different forms silicium and test from Dr Willems. I can give a link if interested about "the hype" and the different molecules.

That could be interesting information to have. Maybe it's on your forum post, but if not do you have an opinion about the silica in Fiji water and are you familiar with the make your own silica water, which supposedly is the same as Fiji?

[A Former User]

https://sci-hub.st/10.1016/j.jtemb.2014.06.024

I am buying a bunch of non-alcohol beer. I know beer is estrogenic yet with all the stuff opposing estrogen we do maybe it's a net benefit. Beer and pork chicharón is a good combo. Some chicharóns aren't fried in extra fat and don't have a lot of fat attached themselves so might not have a lot of PUFA. Beer and salty masa chips sounds good too. Maybe some apple gelatine dessert after.

[A Former User]

@LucH link sir/ma'am

[A Former User]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2744664/pdf/ukmss-27619.pdf

"Bananas have a high Si content (about 5·5 mg/100 g), but preliminary evidence suggests that
Si absorption is negligible (about 2 %) compared, for example, with green beans, which are
high in absorbable Si (about 2·5 mg Si/100 g and about 50 % absorbed)(7)."

"After correcting for differences in ingested Si dose from the different Si-containing sources,
the percentage of the dose excreted in urine over the 6 h period was highest from MMST
(64·0 (SE 5·3) %; range 30·4-105 %) and alcohol-free beer (60·1 (SE 0·8) %; range 57·2-62·0
%), followed by green beans (43·6 (SE 14·9) %; range: 22·1-102 %), orthosilicic acid (43·1 (SE
3·6) %; range 30·0-50·5 %) and ChOSA (16·5 (SE 6·7) %; range 8·57-27·9 %) (Fig. 4).
Bananas (3·9 (SE 2·0) %; range 0·05-11·7 %), magnesium trisilicate BP (3·7 (SE 0·6) %; range
1·46-7·23 %) and colloidal silica (1·2 (SE 0·4) %; range 0·96-1·62 %) provided very low
increases in urinary Si (Fig. 4). Although the latter group only included three subjects, the
consistently low percentage absorption indicates that the results are robust."

ChOSA (choline stabilized silicon) being such low excretion listed above is why I question urinary excretion as a measure of bioavailability.

[LucH]

@sushi_is_cringe said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

link sir/ma'am

When I type « silicium » on my forum I get 4 posts in the section « Traitements naturels et complémentaires »:

• Silicium organique ou minéral ?
  https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t864-silicium-organique-ou-mineral?highlight=silicium
• Silicium organique et arthrose. Dr JM Dupuis
  https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t866-silicium-organique-et-arthrose-jm-dupuis?highlight=silicium
• Test silicium. Dr Willems
  https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t865-test-silicium-dr-willems?highlight=silicium

Extraits en Français (Translator needed) :
Extrait 1 :
Le corps humain contient de 6 à 10 grammes de silice selon l'âge, et 1 mg par 100 ml de sang. Le silicium est en concentration supérieure (7g) à celles du fer (Fe) ou du cuivre (Cu) chez l’homme ; il potentialise l'action du zinc (Zn) et du cuivre (Cu) et permet la fixation du calcium (Ca).
La quantité de silicium diminue de façon irréversible, chez l'homme comme chez l'animal.
On le trouve essentiellement dans le tissu conjonctif, dans la peau, les cheveux, les ongles et les dents, dans les os et le sang.
Un traitement à base de silicium organique peut d'ailleurs faire régresser ces lésions athéromateuses (travaux de LOEPER, Académie de Médecine). Il restaure également la synthèse de l'élastine, tout en diminuant la calcification et la rigidité des artères vieillissantes. Il est frappant de constater que ces tissus (peau, artères, thymus) sont ceux dont le vieillissement est le plus constant et le plus marquant (ainsi rides, amincissement, perte d'élasticité et d'hydratation pour la peau)."
http://www.esculape.com/bricabrac/silicium.htm

Extrait 2 :

Organique ou minéral ?

• Le silicium organique : Taux d’absorption élevé (70%)
• Le silicium minéral : problème de biodisponibilité (3%)
• Le silicium végétal : champignons, graminées, agrumes, olives, argile verte, prêle, gélatine, eau, etc.
  NB : La biodisponibilité sera faible, comparée à une plante, sauf si …

Extrait 3 :

Conditions liées à l’assimilation

• Le pH du silicium ainsi que sa charge ionique. Le titrage du silicium (0,2 % est l’idéal selon LLR ; 0.4 % est un maximum pour l’assimilation => biodisponibilité).
• Besoin d'une protéine qui lui sert de transporteur, pour passer la barrière digestive, il est limité à un seuil de saturation dans les applications thérapeutiques. Voilà pourquoi il est conseillé de l’ingérer 15’ avant le début d’un repas.

Extrait 4
Le silicium organique se différencie du minéral par la présence d’un (ou plusieurs) atome(s) de carbone associé(s) à de l’hydrogène. Sous cette forme, c’est un des éléments essentiels de la matière vivante (plantes, animaux et humains).

Liens intéressants :

• Silicium organique : Présentation. Connaissez-vous le G5 ?
  Applications, revendications du silicium organique en thérapeutique.
  Source: Dr Janet, gastro-entérologue et cancérologue.
  http://www.nature-et-forme.info/article-739693.html (blog temporairement indisponible)
  https://sante-vivante.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/SV-SILICIUM-3.pdf

• 7 siliciums au banc d’essai

Test du Dr WILLEMS

Le silicium : produit mythique de la médecine naturelle
Samedi 17 février 2007 • Pratiques de santé. Le Journal de la Médecine naturelle. N° 64 Hors-série n° 1. Dr Jean-Pierre WILLEM. Epuisé.
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t865-test-silicium-dr-willems#8167
Résumé du test:
Si l’on cumule l’ensemble des résultats obtenus, le classement final est le suivant :
1 - G5
2 - Dynasil +
3 - Ortie-Silice
4 - Eau de silice
4 - Siliplex
6 - Silicea Universel
7 - Vita Sil.
Seuls les 3 1ers sont recommandables.
NDLR: Il existe peut-être d'autres produits apparus ensuite sur le marché, non testés ...

[LucH]

@Mossy said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

Maybe it's on your forum post, but if not do you have an opinion about the silica in Fiji water and are you familiar with the make your own silica water

I don't know. If the water is not too rich in some minerals, it could do the job, but the assimilation, in optimal conditions, would be about 3% of the silicium.
Not enough to have a passive assimilation, according to me.

[NNight]

@LucH
You should translate your posts in english as we are on a forum where people speak english.
I think you're mistaken if you think people will do the effort of translating them, and even if they would do it, it would be a pretty inefficient way of sharing information on an international forum, as every people reading should do the translation themselves while if it's you, you'd have to do it once for everyone.
I say that as someone who speaks french.

Thanks.

[LucH]

@NNight said in Silicon the dietary nutrient:

You should translate your posts in english as we are on a forum where people speak english.

I give a summarize in English. If you want more details, you use a translator.
Too long to do the job (several pages).
Most of the time, there are excerpts in English. Here it wasn't pertinent (context is needed, too long).
Not pertinent, either, to translate:
Le silicium organique : Taux d’absorption élevé (70%)
Le silicium minéral : problème de biodisponibilité (3%).

[A Former User]

@NNight I think them posting in French is good tbh.