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Diclofenac gel to regrow hair on bald head and beard

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    Hearthfire @tubert
    last edited by Hearthfire Feb 4, 2025, 3:39 AM Feb 4, 2025, 3:35 AM

    @tubert

    You need to pair it with other things. I'm doing a whole routine....
    Microneedling, homemade growth shampoo, minoxidil, ketoconazole shampoo, rosemary/castor oil/tea tree oil topical massages, oral castor oil.

    Just last month added (will take a 1-2 months or more to determine if these are helping): Diclofenac, regrowth vitamins, gua sha stone as a tool to better massage and move blood around in the scalp, probably will help relax any tight head muscles which can cause hairloss. The gua sha stone is amazing, anyone going the scalp massages route should definitely get one.

    And only microneedle at 0.5mm, it's been studied and the depth with the most benefit is 0.5mm. Check out that Youtube video by Perfect Hair Health I linked above.

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      Hearthfire
      last edited by Hearthfire Feb 5, 2025, 3:23 AM Feb 5, 2025, 3:22 AM

      Used the diclofenac 4 times now, no side effects whatsoever. Using 1/4 - 1/2 the upper body dose amount from the dose card.

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        Mossy @Hearthfire
        last edited by Feb 5, 2025, 8:32 AM

        @Hearthfire
        Good news.

        "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
        "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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          wester130 @Mossy
          last edited by Feb 13, 2025, 9:25 PM

          I am trying a more natural route and looking into rosemary/hibiscus tincture

          as an alcohol tincture, it may wor kbetetr than the oils

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            Hearthfire @wester130
            last edited by Hearthfire Feb 14, 2025, 3:39 AM Feb 14, 2025, 3:36 AM

            @wester130 Some studies have shown rosemary as effective as minoxidil, definitely a good bet. Some people reported tea made from the leaves as effective. I'm using the oil. I'm having good regrowth, but since I'm doing so many other things I can't say if it's the rosemary. I think it's helping. I can definitely feel it has an effect on the scalp after using it.

            Also, diclofenac update: Still no side effects. Still using same dosage. Every other day/every few days.

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              Mossy @Hearthfire
              last edited by Feb 14, 2025, 3:58 AM

              @Hearthfire @wester130
              I've tried rosemary throughout the years, and I have it on a reminder to use again. Any thoughts on why the tincture or tea would be more absorbable than the oil?

              @Hearthfire Good news on the Diclofenac.

              "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
              "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                Hearthfire @Mossy
                last edited by Feb 14, 2025, 5:03 AM

                @Mossy

                I don't know, what's the thought process @wester130 ?

                Maybe you can leave it in longer than the oil since it isn't as messy and potently fragrant. I can only do one hour or two with the rosemary oil. Stuff is strong.

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                  A Former User @Hearthfire
                  last edited by Feb 14, 2025, 5:56 AM

                  @Hearthfire you use rosemary essential oil? do you dilute it?

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                    Hearthfire @A Former User
                    last edited by Hearthfire Feb 15, 2025, 11:02 AM Feb 14, 2025, 9:07 AM

                    @sushi_is_cringe

                    Sometimes I mix it with castor oil. Sometimes I just do the rosemary and massage/gua sha. Depends on what I have time for. It's harder to wash the castor oil out of your hair than the rosemary oil.

                    I also make a homemade shampoo using Dr Bronners castille soap, and I put some rosemary oil in that along with other ingredients that are good for regrowth.

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                      wester130 @Mossy
                      last edited by wester130 Feb 15, 2025, 1:11 AM Feb 14, 2025, 4:08 PM

                      @Mossy the oil is problematic and too strong

                      many people used rosemary water, the tincture would work just as well

                      mix with green tea tincture too, combined with once weekly dermastamping

                      a rosemary/hibiscus/green tea tincture would be interesting

                      this person used water,

                      Youtube Video

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                        A Former User @Hearthfire
                        last edited by A Former User Feb 15, 2025, 5:00 AM Feb 15, 2025, 4:59 AM

                        @Hearthfire coconut oil seems really nice for hair as well. the guy who i learned the rosemary reccomendation from actually switched to peppermint oil because apparently it is even better.

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                          wester130 @A Former User
                          last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 12:58 PM

                          @sushi_is_cringe makes sense

                          mint has commonality with anti histamines

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                            Hearthfire @A Former User
                            last edited by Feb 15, 2025, 5:58 PM

                            @sushi_is_cringe @wester130

                            All I've seen is that everyone says rosemary is better, including the Perfect Hair Health youtube channel IIRC. With peppermint, there were some studies done on mice that showed regrowth, but no studies on humans that I'm aware of. Rosemary was studied on humans and shown to be as effective as minoxidil.

                            I do think peppermint is beneficial. It's antifungal/antibacterial and increases blood flow. It's in the Dr Bronners castille soap I use as shampoo, so I get rosemary and peppermint. Both bases covered.

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                              Mossy
                              last edited by Feb 16, 2025, 4:20 AM

                              @Hearthfire, @wester130, @sushi_is_cringe
                              Good information. I kind of like the potency aspect of the rosemary oil, assuming that it is indeed more potent, in the hopes that it will produce better results. But, for going to work and being out in public, the water based makes sense. But maybe in this case more potent smelling doesn't necessarily equal more effective.

                              Coconut and peppermint oil have been talked about and used for as long as I can remember; so, could be beneficial to add those in as well, like Hearthfire does. I've used that entire combination throughout the years: castor, coconut, rosemary, and peppermint. I've also used lavender, eucalyptus, and cedarwood. I do remember a few years back cedarwood was being talked about for hair growth.

                              One oil that was really talked about quite some time back was emu oil. It's really hard to know if these are legitimate pro-hair ingredients or if industries promoted them, in an attempt to make money.

                              "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                              "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                wester130 @Mossy
                                last edited by wester130 Feb 16, 2025, 2:46 PM Feb 16, 2025, 12:23 PM

                                not sure about emu oil, seems pointless, greasy too

                                I would do alcohol tinctures of rosemary, mint and green tea.

                                optional extras: hibiscus, neem, licorice, all as alcohol tinctures

                                menthol can work as well as many anti inflammatory drugs

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                                  wester130 @wester130
                                  last edited by wester130 Feb 17, 2025, 12:20 AM Feb 16, 2025, 8:10 PM

                                  interesting study on menthol,

                                  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0026286216300401?via%3Dihub

                                  interesting study on licorice too

                                  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320802200_Using_hair_growth_activity_physical_stability_and_safety_tests_to_study_hair_tonics_containing_ethanol_extract_of_licorice_Glycyrrhiza_glabra_Linn

                                  licorice/mint/rosemary would be interesting

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                                    Mossy @wester130
                                    last edited by Feb 17, 2025, 12:56 PM

                                    @wester130
                                    I do have licorice root on a reminder as well, to test various methods of delivery — which I've been snoozing for months now, with my original note being from years ago. I got this idea from Travis, who was a very knowledgeable member at RPF. I couldn't keep up with his knowledge and theories, but I gleaned that licorice root would provide enoxolone, which at the time he felt was a key factor in preventing hairloss.

                                    "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                    "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                      Chud
                                      last edited by Chud Feb 17, 2025, 8:46 PM Feb 17, 2025, 8:46 PM

                                      things that helped halt my hair loss:

                                      • walking in the sun as much as possible (lowers cortisol / increases dopamine)
                                      • supplementing d3/k2/t3 (calcium regulation)
                                      • washing hair with baking soda (antifungal)
                                      • showering daily (lowers scalp cortisol)
                                      • cyproheptadine daily (lowers cortisol / serotonin)
                                      • aspirin daily (lowers estrogen / aldosterone)
                                      • daily carrot salad (lowers estrogen / prolactin)
                                      • heavily salting meals (lowers aldosterone)
                                      • having 1-2oz liver once or twice a week
                                      • light scalp massage with fingertips / knuckles few minutes daily (lowers scalp cortisol)
                                      • lowering intake of or eliminating inflammatory foods. (these foods can differ for everyone so perceive think act.)

                                      things that gave me significant regrowth

                                      • hair transplant

                                      breakfast for dinner enjoyer

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                                        Mossy @Chud
                                        last edited by Feb 18, 2025, 9:07 AM

                                        @Chud
                                        Thanks for sharing. All very Peaty.

                                        "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                        "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                          wester130 @Mossy
                                          last edited by wester130 Feb 19, 2025, 11:47 PM Feb 19, 2025, 11:46 PM

                                          @Mossy

                                          this has 100,000 reviews.

                                          that must be the most on amazon

                                          https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mielle-Rosemary-Strengthening-Infused-Porosity/dp/B0DJFVT9FZ?th=1

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