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    what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?

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    • KvirionK
      Kvirion @wester130
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      @wester130 said in what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?:

      this feels like a deep set problem in my body, like something is totally failing, like my adrenal gland

      Yep, good point. Treat emodin as a temporary fix/mitigation, when you will continue to work on your general health and well-being...

      These two products you suggested had too much shitty preservatives inside, etc.

      I use this one below in tiny doses - I open the capsule and use only about 1/10 or 1/5 at once. You will need to experiment with your optimal dosage. Too much may make you run to the toilet 😉
      (Cascara is a natural source of emodin)

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      You can also try this one if available https://idealabs.ecwid.com/Lapodin-p70230379

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        risingfire @wester130
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        @wester130 I can't believe I forgot about cypro. Give it a shot. I have no experience with Phosphatidylserine. I'd look deeper into.

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          wester130 @risingfire
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          @risingfire do you think low dose cabergoline could work?

          it seems to reduce prolactin and cortisol

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            risingfire @wester130
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            @wester130 I'm sure it would lower prolactin but I'm not sure about cortisol. What is your prolactin at?

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              wester130 @risingfire
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              @risingfire

              i'm looking into a new idea of male PCOS

              so taking things like spearmint, licorice and Vitex to solve it

              thoughts?

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                16charactersitis @wester130
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                @wester130 stay away from licorice, it’s supposed to be highly estrogenic besides messing with your cortisol. I think mint is fine if it suits you, and have heard good things about vitex, so i guess worth a try.

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                  Hando-Jin @risingfire
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                  @risingfire said in what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?:

                  @wester130 cortisol

                  pregnenolone

                  idea labs cortiNon

                  cyproheptadine

                  sugar

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                    wester130 @Hando-Jin
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                    @Hando-Jin those would not work for hyperandrogenism

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                      Hando-Jin @wester130
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                      @wester130 I don't know. You asked for things that lower cortisol, and all of those things do. You won't know without experimentation, I guess.

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                        risingfire @16charactersitis
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                        @16charactersitis I put a lot of time into this idea about two years ago. I don't think those things are really going to move the needle if you truly have the male version of PCOS. You would need DHT, progesterone, thyroid, vitamin D and cypro.

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                          risingfire @wester130
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                          @wester130 is male PCOS characterized by hyperandrogenism? I think it would be quite the opposite.

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                            risingfire @Hando-Jin
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                            @Hando-Jin The 4 riders of the Cortisol Apocalypse

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                              wester130 @Hando-Jin
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                              @Hando-Jin https://karger.com/hrp/article-abstract/65/2/106/372778/Liquorice-in-Moderate-Doses-Does-Not-Affect-Sex?redirectedFrom=fulltext

                              this says it reduces DHEA-S with little impact on Testosterone

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                                wester130 @risingfire
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                                @risingfire

                                The problem is an overactive adrenal gland mostly

                                I think it is too much DHEA-S but testosterone is normal

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                                  risingfire @wester130
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                                  @wester130 I generally view that as a sign of balding. Too much prolactin

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                                    Corngold @risingfire
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                                    @risingfire

                                    even if it is cortisol, wouldn't estrogen be a factor?
                                    Older guys often get lots of nose/ear/back hair but testosterone is lower. What is the relation of cortisol to estrogen?

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                                      wester130 @Corngold
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                                      @Corngold I honestly don't know.

                                      Many people get good results with finasteride, and things like nettle root, spearmint and vitex.

                                      I think it's an imbalance of hormones, not the amount

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                                        risingfire @Corngold
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                                        @Corngold the stress hormones beget one another. Increased estrogen can lead to increased prolactin which can increase adrenaline. Nose/ear may have nothing to do with androgens

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                                          wester130 @risingfire
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                                          @risingfire

                                          "it’s bcus of insulin spikes. Insulin spikes = hyper insulinemia = low SHBG = hyperandrogenism = excess nose, ear, hair growth."

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                                            wester130 @wester130
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                                            this mentions shbg, insulin and pcos

                                            https://doctorherdmanclinic.com/resources/articles/womens-health/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-stinging-nettle/

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