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    what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?

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    • jamezb46J
      jamezb46 @wester130
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      @wester130 maybe you should try ammonia detox with calcium alpha keto glutarate and Ornithine

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        Kvirion @wester130
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        @wester130 said in what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?:

        this feels like a deep set problem in my body, like something is totally failing, like my adrenal gland

        Yep, good point. Treat emodin as a temporary fix/mitigation, when you will continue to work on your general health and well-being...

        These two products you suggested had too much shitty preservatives inside, etc.

        I use this one below in tiny doses - I open the capsule and use only about 1/10 or 1/5 at once. You will need to experiment with your optimal dosage. Too much may make you run to the toilet 😉
        (Cascara is a natural source of emodin)

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        You can also try this one if available https://idealabs.ecwid.com/Lapodin-p70230379

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        Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
        There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
        And drinking largely sobers us again.
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          risingfire @wester130
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          @wester130 I can't believe I forgot about cypro. Give it a shot. I have no experience with Phosphatidylserine. I'd look deeper into.

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            wester130 @risingfire
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            @risingfire do you think low dose cabergoline could work?

            it seems to reduce prolactin and cortisol

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              risingfire @wester130
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              @wester130 I'm sure it would lower prolactin but I'm not sure about cortisol. What is your prolactin at?

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                wester130 @risingfire
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                @risingfire

                i'm looking into a new idea of male PCOS

                so taking things like spearmint, licorice and Vitex to solve it

                thoughts?

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                  16charactersitis @wester130
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                  @wester130 stay away from licorice, it’s supposed to be highly estrogenic besides messing with your cortisol. I think mint is fine if it suits you, and have heard good things about vitex, so i guess worth a try.

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                  • Hando-JinH
                    Hando-Jin @risingfire
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                    @risingfire said in what is causing body hair/nose hair and ear hair if not androgens?:

                    @wester130 cortisol

                    pregnenolone

                    idea labs cortiNon

                    cyproheptadine

                    sugar

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                      wester130 @Hando-Jin
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                      @Hando-Jin those would not work for hyperandrogenism

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                      • Hando-JinH
                        Hando-Jin @wester130
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                        @wester130 I don't know. You asked for things that lower cortisol, and all of those things do. You won't know without experimentation, I guess.

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                          risingfire @16charactersitis
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                          @16charactersitis I put a lot of time into this idea about two years ago. I don't think those things are really going to move the needle if you truly have the male version of PCOS. You would need DHT, progesterone, thyroid, vitamin D and cypro.

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                            risingfire @wester130
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                            @wester130 is male PCOS characterized by hyperandrogenism? I think it would be quite the opposite.

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                              risingfire @Hando-Jin
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                              @Hando-Jin The 4 riders of the Cortisol Apocalypse

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                                wester130 @Hando-Jin
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                                @Hando-Jin https://karger.com/hrp/article-abstract/65/2/106/372778/Liquorice-in-Moderate-Doses-Does-Not-Affect-Sex?redirectedFrom=fulltext

                                this says it reduces DHEA-S with little impact on Testosterone

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                                  wester130 @risingfire
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                                  @risingfire

                                  The problem is an overactive adrenal gland mostly

                                  I think it is too much DHEA-S but testosterone is normal

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                                    risingfire @wester130
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                                    @wester130 I generally view that as a sign of balding. Too much prolactin

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                                      Corngold @risingfire
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                                      @risingfire

                                      even if it is cortisol, wouldn't estrogen be a factor?
                                      Older guys often get lots of nose/ear/back hair but testosterone is lower. What is the relation of cortisol to estrogen?

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                                        wester130 @Corngold
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                                        @Corngold I honestly don't know.

                                        Many people get good results with finasteride, and things like nettle root, spearmint and vitex.

                                        I think it's an imbalance of hormones, not the amount

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                                          risingfire @Corngold
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                                          @Corngold the stress hormones beget one another. Increased estrogen can lead to increased prolactin which can increase adrenaline. Nose/ear may have nothing to do with androgens

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                                            wester130 @risingfire
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                                            @risingfire

                                            "it’s bcus of insulin spikes. Insulin spikes = hyper insulinemia = low SHBG = hyperandrogenism = excess nose, ear, hair growth."

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