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Google AI search results straight up lying about Ray Peat. Just outright fabrication. Unbelievable!

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    Hearthfire
    last edited by Hearthfire Apr 12, 2025, 12:13 PM Apr 12, 2025, 12:12 PM

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    A proponent of the Peat diet?! Aspirin bad for thyroid and advised against using?!?!

    This doesn't feel like the typical AI hallucination. I've never seen a hallucination this bad. That looks like it's been tuned to smear Ray Peat and give misinformation about his work.

    I wonder if big pharma execs put in the call?

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      herenow @Hearthfire
      last edited by Apr 12, 2025, 12:18 PM

      frightening 😰

      brace yourself people

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        ThinPicking @Hearthfire
        last edited by ThinPicking Apr 12, 2025, 1:55 PM Apr 12, 2025, 1:25 PM

        @Hearthfire said in Google AI search results straight up lying about Ray Peat. Just outright fabrication. Unbelievable!:

        This doesn't feel like the typical AI hallucination.

        PeatBot will do it too depending on how you prompt it. You can steer it toward or away from bradsters RAG.

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          Peatful
          last edited by Apr 12, 2025, 1:43 PM

          At best AI is too “dumb” or one dimensional to understand the truth of Peat.

          At worst it’s been programmed to lie to keep us enslaved….

          Resist

          The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

          SD

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            Hearthfire @Peatful
            last edited by Hearthfire Apr 12, 2025, 2:55 PM Apr 12, 2025, 2:48 PM

            @Peatful

            AI is getting frighteningly good at tasks and understanding context, and can give summaries of the ideas and work of known people very well. I went and prompted Grok to compare it to the google result, you be the judge:

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            That makes me think, they must have tuned the Google result to be anti-Peat. I mean, most mainstream opinions on him are negative. The Grok result got it right, but still mentioned the mainstream criticism. It wouldn't be that surprising they purposely tuned it to smear him. It is scary though. The same people who said trust the experts, wear masks, take the vaccine and don't question it, are possibly smearing a guy whose body of work and knowledge is legit....It can only mean one thing. They DON'T want people to be healthy. I see the signs of that everywhere I look. These controlling institutions are trying to keep people sick, not just keep them sick, make them sicker!

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              ThinPicking
              last edited by Apr 12, 2025, 3:19 PM

              "ray peat aspirin thyroid" and "What did Ray Peat say about" are two very different things when it comes token prediction. Apart from the prompt, the Gemini vs Grok result looks more like a labelling/curation or class/reward failure than a specific attempt at malice.

              Google is making a mistake by attempting to integrate this with traditional search in my opinion but they really have no other way to push it and they need interaction to mine for improvement. xAI has Twitter, closedAI has the public memory for popularising it. People are probably more familiar with DeepSeek than Gemini for the competitive coverage.

              Google and Apple remain concerning for attestation in their mobile operating systems and the push to have us all scanning digital papers.

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                Peatful @Hearthfire
                last edited by Peatful Apr 12, 2025, 4:00 PM Apr 12, 2025, 3:19 PM

                @Hearthfire

                So what does one do?

                Is this example isolated to Peat?
                Rhetorical

                Just saying….

                The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

                SD

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                  gg12 @Hearthfire
                  last edited by Apr 12, 2025, 3:54 PM

                  @Hearthfire yea bro google does this SMH “democracy” “nonpartisan”
                  Bruh

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                    Hearthfire @ThinPicking
                    last edited by Hearthfire Apr 13, 2025, 9:29 AM Apr 13, 2025, 9:28 AM

                    @ThinPicking

                    The Google AI summary doesn't pop up for longer search terms. I gave it the same Grok prompt I used and it won't summarize it.

                    Don't you find it strange, even with so little context given in the search term, it chose to say all the opposite things that Peat said, instead of what he actually said? I've mostly gotten correct results from that Google AI summary about everything else.

                    I think you're giving a company that has been repeatedly caught tampering with search results during elections (to the benefit of the Democrat side) a little too much slack.

                    Peat represents everything the left hates. Self agency. Thinking for yourself. Researching things on your own. Making your own choices about your health based on sound information. They despise these things and would strip away the right to exercise them if they could, like they tried to during Covid.

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                      NoeticJuice @Hearthfire
                      last edited by NoeticJuice Apr 13, 2025, 11:09 AM Apr 13, 2025, 11:07 AM

                      @Hearthfire said in Google AI search results straight up lying about Ray Peat. Just outright fabrication. Unbelievable!:

                      They

                      I feel like "divide and conquer" is relevant here. But I don't really care about this stuff.

                      "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

                      🎧🎶24/7

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                        ThinPicking @Hearthfire
                        last edited by Apr 13, 2025, 12:55 PM

                        https://gemini.google.com/

                        The answer to the same prompt there's much better. The UI and inference process is more comparable to Grok's.

                        @Hearthfire said in Google AI search results straight up lying about Ray Peat. Just outright fabrication. Unbelievable!:

                        Don't you find it strange, even with so little context given in the search term, it chose to say all the opposite things that Peat said, instead of what he actually said? I've mostly gotten correct results from that Google AI summary about everything else.

                        Knowing how LLMs work, not particularly. What a whole human is doing when they're balancing sources and finding edges on the internet or elsewhere is remarkable. An LLM can't do that, yet.

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