Thread regarding Ray Peat possibly choosing not to use the medical system toward the end of his life
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He was definitely ill in the last months before his death. You could also hear it in his last interviews with Timpone. He believed it was an allergic reaction to certain vegetables he hadn't eaten in many years, he changed his diet in his last year - less protein, more vegetables and oatmeal among others.
There were also forest fires and very poor air quality in Oregon in the last stage of his life, which may have contributed to his ill health. He even started to wear a face diaper when he left his house because of the air quality. Imagine that. It must have been really bad. The next part is speculation, but I think he was also pretty depressed about the state of affairs.
I don't know if he received any kind of medical help or whether his wife got some help. My educated guess would be that he would rather die soon than to spend time in a hospital and medical care, to artificially prolong his life. In his interviews you could always sense a deep mistrust for doctors and the medical system. A sentiment that I think many here (myself definitely included) share.
So yes, he probably could have lived longer if he had placed himself in the hands of the healthcare system. But would it have been a life that he would have liked and in which he could have lived a self-determined rest of his life? Dr. Peat died just as he had lived. According to his own rules and values. Many people who go to hospitals and live longer afterwards. Other people go to a hospital and die because of that.
Some use a death at age 86 (far outliving the average of males of his cohort in the United States) to discredit his work. Even on the old forum there was some disappointment that he didn't make it to 100 or whatever. I don't think Dr. Peats age should be a status symbol for "his community". He was very active with research, curiosity, newsletters, interviews and loving his wife until the last weeks of his life, while many people in the Western world actively start their dying process when they turn 15, by exposing themselves to a constant stream of trash tv and smartphones from dusk till dawn.
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Copium….
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I think this quote fits in to the discussion
"The reason I talk more about biology than politics is that the various radical movements generally have inflexibilities that keep them apart. People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope."
Ray was also damaged severely from a miscalibrated flouroscopy. Was he perfect? No.
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Choosing to generally avoid the medical system and preserve one's dignity is an ideological choice. The goal of Peating goes beyond "lifespanmaxxxing." This man was inspired by William Blake.
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this is a low energy, un-masculine thread. talking about someone's passing and putting so much importance on it is not in good taste overall, there are some copes about it's reasonable because of being a "health guru" but that's not what RP is rightfully known for.
secondly, multiple comments in here don't give positive feelings, especially the one someone posted about people starting the dying process at 15 years old because of screen time; someone who says this out loud is not interested in immediate health and well-being of others, it is actually reminding me of how jessie Peterson or whatever that guy's name is saying that people saying they are depressed are actually being evil.
Other user says, "he was def in his last months, it was obvious", total confirmation bias, IF RP had just had a cold and gotten over it, nobody woulda even given the way he sounds much significance.
this whole thread is coping, unmasculine, gay talking points.
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It’s not a “phobia” when it’s well-founded. Who’s to say that all the times he refused a hospital stay he didn’t dodge a bullet?
And the jury is still out on his “legacy”, though he wasn’t so petty as to give a hoot about it. He was a soldier not a narcissist. -
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@herenow said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life and damaged his legacy:
as I was listening to the audio I was wishing he had made a different choice so he could be around a little longer.
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It's not impossible that he sought medical help but it's not public.You acknowledge not knowing if Ray sought medical help so I’m not sure what you’re referring to in your previous statement. What choice did Ray make that you wish he hadn’t?
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@herenow, thank you for clarifying.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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When Ray died, the hospital system was amuck with doctors who put practically every patient as a COVID patient, and those who needed care other than as a COVID patient were sidelined and care was not what one would get from a hospital in unhysteric times.
I can understand if Ray chose not to go to a hospital and be made to die thoroughly oxygenated which would not be different from being asphyxiated in terms of outcome.
I didn't go to a hospital in that hysterical period. I was the most sick then. I would rather die from my own treatment than from theirs. But unbeknownst to me at the time, the Carbogen machine I used which I bought from a member of the other forum, Steve, got my body back to be able to slowly heal, not by itself but with other substances.
I have Peat to thank for knowing what alternatives I had in that situation.
I think that if Peat had died doing it his way, the outcome in a deranged hospital system at the time may not have been any better.
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@yerrag said:
I would rather die from my own treatment than from theirs.
This is what circumstances boil down to in the end.
The current relief of pressure in healthcare is but a mere respite for a further deep dive to come.
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@CrumblingCookie said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life:
The current relief of pressure in healthcare is but a mere respite for a further deep dive to come.
"Times are going to get worse."
What is it that you think will happen CC. Better yet, what do you think it would take for that not to happen. If it involves a struggle, can you think of anything else.
I'm not amused.
This probably has health consequences.
Why did the chicken walk in the middle of the road.
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@herenow said in Dr. Ray Peat's phobia of the medical system turned against him towards the end of his life:
yes please
Your new avatar sir.
