Gut dysbiosis/PSSD - are Antibiotics required?

gg12

So following the discontinuation of ssris about a year ago my gut issues got worse. My gut is very sensitive. I can tolerate few foods.
In the PSSD community I am told that the SSRIS leave some nasty bacteria in the gut that can lead to the PSSD symptoms- adhedonia, can’t feel penis , etc
So
How do I go about wiping out these bacteria without further damaging myself ?
I also may have SIBO……..
I could go to a doctor and try for antibiotics?
Or is there a natural route I could take like not eating any food that upsets my gut?
What antibiotic should I try to get ?

LucH

@gg12 said in Gut dysbiosis/PSSD - are Antibiotics required?:

Or is there a natural route I could take like not eating any food that upsets my gut?
What antibiotic should I try to get ?

Hi,
See this post for clues.
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/6761/laxatives-stool-softeners-and-prokinetic-agents
and the link from Dr d'Oro (useful links).

Same development on my forum but with additional info to calm down irritable bowels (in French, translator needed):
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2115-colopathie-fonctionnelle-et-prokinetique

pittybitty

@gg12 You need to split up your problems into smaller ones. Figure out exactly what bacteria are causing your problems and then come up with strategies for those particular strains.

basebolt

try to eat a daily carrot. to help disinfect the bowel.

try to eat mushrooms too for antibiotic effect. ray recommends boiling for 45 min. or something.

20 to 100 mg lidocaine hcl dissolved in water. swallow it.. it may permanently correct gut issues. ray talked about this. be careful with higher amounts.

the stomach and small intestine (and mouth) should be sterile. according to peat. he mentioned an important factor is thyroid hormone for the body to be able to naturally keep these areas germ-free.

basebolt

ray mentioned eating sugar is good for keeping any candida from getting angry. so don't avoid it. assuming an overlap between SIBO and candida.

LucH

@basebolt said in Gut dysbiosis/PSSD - are Antibiotics required?:

the stomach and small intestine (and mouth) should be sterile. according to peat.

he mentioned an important factor is thyroid hormone for the body to be able to naturally keep these areas germ-free.

No real need, indeed. But sterility doesn't exist if you mind zero bacteria. So, we have to occupy the place, with the right amount of enzymes and phylum.
So, it's a figment of the imagination, to say the least, out of respect.
I cite:
The mouth contains enzymes and a diverse microbiome, playing a role in initial digestion and oral health. Saliva contains enzymes like salivary amylase (also called ptyalin), which begins breaking down starches, and lingual lipase, which starts digesting fats. The oral microbiome includes various bacterial phyla like Firmicutes, Proteobacteria, Bacteroidetes, Actinobacteria, and Fusobacteria, which contribute to oral health and can influence digestion.
Source: NIH
Thyroid is influencing the energy level. Need for immune reaction, OK. But the thyroid is not going to send iodine to keep the place germ-free (irony).
So, when I hear sth coming from RP, I want to know how and why. He has much credit but not a white-hand (blanc-seing, in French).

LucH

@basebolt said in Gut dysbiosis/PSSD - are Antibiotics required?:

ray mentioned eating sugar is good for keeping any candida from getting angry. so don't avoid it.

Yes, right but you should have mentioned that moderation is the key problem. I explain.
Candida albicans should not be starved (to avoid over-excitation and an impact on neurotransmitters). On the other hand, its proliferation must be limited and therefore restricted. We don't starve it; we keep it under control by weakening it. We weaken it / put it to sleep, then we beat it up. Finally, we occupy the space. Nature abhors vacuum.

LucH

Thyroid and microbiote
Does the thyroid impact the microbiome? (Conversation with Google IA)
Yes, the thyroid gland and the gut microbiome have a reciprocal relationship, meaning they influence each other. Thyroid hormones can affect the composition and function of the gut microbiome, and conversely, the gut microbiome can impact thyroid hormone synthesis and metabolism.
How Thyroid Impacts Gut Microbiota?
Altered Gut Microbiota Composition:
Studies have shown that thyroid disorders, such as hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism, are associated with changes in the types and amounts of bacteria in the gut. For example, some studies have found a decrease in beneficial bacteria like Bifidobacteria and Lactobacilli in hyperthyroidism, while others have observed increased levels of certain bacteria like Veillonella and Paraprevotella in hypothyroidism.
Immune System Modulation:
Thyroid hormones can influence the immune system, and the gut microbiota plays a crucial role in shaping the immune system. Alterations in the gut microbiome due to thyroid issues can lead to immune dysregulation, which can potentially contribute to or exacerbate autoimmune thyroid diseases. (As our diet has several components that modulate the immune system this might explain why our diet contributes to a more stable thyroid function, when bringing appropriate useful nutrients like Se, I or Fe).
DOI: 10.4236/fns.2012.33059
Thyroid diseases can exacerbate disturbances in the microbiota. Inducing immune-inflammatory responses, altering iodothyronine metabolism, and affecting thyroid-associated micronutrient absorption are potential pathways through which the microbiota and metabolites are involved in thyroid homeostasis. Nevertheless, the causal relationships between gut microbiota and thyroid diseases, how gut microbiota modulates thyroid autoimmunity, and the specific mechanisms by which a particular bacterium or core flora triggers thyroid diseases, are still poorly understood.
Source: Front. Endocrinol., August 2022
The relationships between the gut microbiota and its metabolites with thyroid diseases.
How Gut Microbiota Impacts Thyroid (through the thyroid hormone synthesis)

The gut microbiota can influence the availability of essential nutrients, like iodine, selenium, zinc, and iron, which are crucial for thyroid hormone synthesis.

Inflammation and "Leaky Gut"
Dysbiosis (an imbalance in the gut microbiome) can disrupt the gut barrier, potentially leading to increased inflammation and "leaky gut," which can further impact thyroid health and potentially contribute to autoimmune thyroid conditions.
Summary
In essence, the thyroid and the gut microbiome are intricately linked, and disruptions in one can affect the other, highlighting the importance of a healthy gut for overall thyroid health and vice versa.