why is my piss always yellow, dark brown in morning despite being hydrated in night/day
-
"Darkness is stressful and catabolic. For example, in aging people, the morning urine contains nearly all of the calcium lost during the 24 hour period, and mitochondria are especially sensitive to the destructive effects of darkness."
But dry mouth is not good
-
@the-MOUSE I don't pretend to be an expert on urine but I know enough about my n=1 experience with carefully observing it while over the years coming across some useful ideas on its color, specific gravity, and pH.
I have come to view dark urine as a red flag. This darkness may be because the urine is very concentrated, and if you dilute it by adding water to it to a 25% urine solution, and look at its hue ( eg red vs. brown orange vs yellow vs yellow green vs. transparent ) you can tell if the darkness you perceive in the urine is due to yellow being concentrated, which likely associates it with being acidic (especially when you have low urine output or oliguria), or that you may have have some hemolysis ongoing when the hue ranges from amber to orange to orange-reddish (from slight to worse). I would not need to talk about the obvious cases where urine is reddish that involves some bleeding in the kidneys to the bladder to the urinary tract, or when the urine is bluish from taking methylene blue or another color from medication.
When I urinate close to a golden yellow or close to bright, even fluorescent -like yellow, I am likely looking at alkali urine (a pH higher than 6.4, which is common to see in the wee hours to after waking up- from a healthy me where there us optimal acid-base balance (from having good mitochondrial metabolism that produces an abundance of CO2 that provides an endogenous pH buffering substance where CO² can become acidic by converting to carbonic acid or alkaline by converting to bicarbonate - as needed to maintain a tight pH range.
Most people make the mistake of thinking that an acidic urine, where urine pH ranges from a pH from 4.5 to 6, is no-no. I see this range often and quite regularly in my urine during the daytime. As urine pH varies with the time of day , and gets acidic during the day. I won't go into specifics but would say that as a simple generalization. Just remember that urine cannot always be acidic as the body excretes acidic urine during the day so that by the wee hours urine would be alkaline.
But to be clear, it's not enough to measure urine pH without relating it to saliva pH. The rule I gleaned reading a website ( I could not recall now) is that the saliva pH should be at least 1 pH above that of urine. Why? I tried to find sense in this rule, and what I've come up with is that urine is an excretion, and saliva is a secretion. Excretions are thrown out, while secretions are recycled within our a system. Thinking this way, it makes sense to throw out excess acidity while retaining what is alkaline- in our ECF(extracellular fluids).
It goes without saying that something is really wrong when our saliva pH becomes more acidic than that of our urine.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag interesting. i dont think i have hemolysis. it coukd be indicative of high co2 which is potentially good? i do butekyo breathing
-
@the-MOUSE I highly doubt dark urine is a sign of high CO2, but I'm open to your explanation why you think so.
I too went to Buteyko training and understand it. But I didn't stick with it. It has its use, as far training the body to retain more CO2 than what it its respiratory center would allow. It's especially helpful when the blood is too acidic because the metabolic pathway it uses makes it produce less CO2 and more lactic acid. In practicing Buteyko, the respiratory center is trained to carry more CO2 and carbonic acid in blood, making blood more acidic. Instead of the respiratory center forcing out (by more rapid breathing) CO2 to excrete carbonic acid out of blood to maintain a lower acidity, it allows this respiratory acidotic state (an acidotic state caused by more CO2 retention leading to more carbonic acid in blood). The purpose of allowing this acidotic state is to force the kidneys later to excrete this excess acidity to be relieved in the form of lactic acid in the form of urine. Over time, the lactic acid (and whatever other acids are in the system) are excreted out as more CO2 is retained. Since this is an ongoing process of retaining CO2 with Buteyko breathing becoming second nature to a practitioner, it is suitable to use when the practitioner's metabolism is defective enough to produce more lactic acid and less CO²/than it is healthful.
For me, it is make work, an added layer to my nature. I would much rather, if I can help it, fix my sugar metabolism so as to naturally produce an abundance of CO² and a minimum of lactic acid, keto acids, and whatever acids that come from taking drugs or from the body producing acids to kill off pathogenic bacteria.
That said, it is possible that you are right in seeing darker urine as a result of practicing Buteyko, as the body has to be in a more acidic state continually with an induced state of respiratory acidosis, and if a more acidic state is known to produce darker urine.
Being in a state of respiratory acidosis is permissible, as it isn't harmful as being in a state of metabolic acidosis.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
Are you ingesting enough electrolytes with your water?
-
Dark brown could be a kidney problem though
-
@rayp-flava kidney markers were good in prior blood test.
actually my prior tatement may be wrong. i think i may be overhydrating. i get clear white piss often, possibly need more electrolytes. i just have cocoa, salt and magneisum powder to work with atm. potassium from bananas, milk.
-
@yerrag thank you, very knowledged and insightful response
-
@the-MOUSE do with it what you will but I would try drinking 1 litre of water with a teaspoon of salt and potassium salt. The salt will keep the water in your body and you won't need to drink a lot of water.
The litre is for sipping throughout the day even when I was in the military out side all day in high heat if I had enough salts I didn't need more than a half gallon -
@rayp-flava i see, thnx. mirin and respecting being in military. would u get nausea from cortisol, high intensity exercise with little energy input?
-
@the-MOUSE no I'd only get nauseous if I was packing lips after energy drinks. I can drink the salt water no issues but if you are new to adding salts to water for drinking thorough out the day take smaller sips or add lemon/limes to your container. Another thing I can recommend is adding salt to orange juice or lemonade
-
@rayp-flava i see
-
I forgot to get back to you on hemolysis.
It's hard to know whether I have hemolysis or not. We hardly suspect it because the medical establishment believes our blood is sterile. To acknowledge that is to let us know that it is not safe to trust blood transfusions, especially when blood banks are filled with the blood of strangers with diverse levels of microbes. But in the one time I gave in to curiosity and submitted myself to a live blood exam and an interpretation of it that was costly because it had to take that long to observe my blood and that isn't common and not cheap, I got to learn that I have fungal parasites that cycle in and out of my red blood cells as part of their life cycle, and that the red blood cells break down regularly. But the rate at which RBC hemolyze is low enough to be recognized by standard medical testing methods so that they don't show up in tests such as the CBC or in urinalysis.
After that realization, I began to hypothesize that that may be a reason why my platelet count, which range from the 180 to 220, where the soc (standard of care- to refer to what our conventional doctors use) range was 150-400, would be in the lower range of normal. I would want to see my platelets at around 300 to be right smack in the middle.
Some research at PubMed later, I would see low platelets as a result of having fungal parasites, for platelets are uses by the body to destroy fungal issues.
To test this out, I began taking some antifungals such as turpentine as well as artemisia annual tincture (which ai make tincture with using gin). I would take CBC tests after 2 weeks of taking each of them, and each time I would see my urine color change from the amber of red ale or pale Pilsen to a bright near fluorescent yellow color that can be described also as golden yellow, though the slight fluorescence makes me think of Mountain Dew. This is why, even now, I continue to work on lowering the level of fungal infection internally.
I don't want to give the impression that my context is everyone else's, as I have a 20 yr history of having periodontal infection that has me 5 teeth. That infection has translocated from my gums to my internal system, and what started out as a synergistic and harmful blend of bacteria of at least 4 species has morphed into having a strong fungal component, and have taken a form of parasitism that feeds off iron that it has to live off red blood cells. This condition is a large part of what causes my high blood pressure, which is another topic that I would rather not expound on in the interest of brevity.
But I hope I have given you enough reason to think of hemolysis as a possibility, but not to leave you fixated as its probability may be small in your context. Take it as food for thought and nothing more.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag thnx, ye thats quite interesting as well
-
@yerrag these r my recent results btw maybe some more insight. can skip redundant info/tests https://imgur.com/gallery/jGT4wF9
https://bioenergetic.forum/post/9421 -
T the MOUSE referenced this topic on
