New "Mission" of RPF
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I predict that the Life Giving Store will be at the forefront of (after purportedly finding discrepancies and/or problems with some of the products they obtain from a third party) calling for federal regulation in the supplement industry.
Edit: And since the Life Giving Store will be linked with the Ray Peat Forum, some people will wrongly conclude Peat's endorsement of this and that this is a 'continuation and improvement on the life's work of Ray Peat'.
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@jwayne said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex The review on BBB matches the female name mentioned (plus an extra one) in the LLC data for both stores. Didn't someone mention charlie was recently divorced, or am I misremembering characters? Couldn't the names/address listed be correct for the actual store and accounts? If so, then its plausible someone easily found this publicly available information and wrote hate mail, etc.
Earlier on in this thread, there was a link to a guy's name as owner of the 'store' in FL, and his name was associated with some name/addresses in GA. I hadn't seen some of the profiles that you sent so they may be new. There's no physical store -- if you look at the addresses on a map they're in wooded and secluded residential areas, and one was in Florida and the second now in Georgia within this short span of time. I guess the guy's name might have been doxxed, hate mail, whatever, but the way 'Charlie' made it out sounded more like people were physically going after him or his store, but that just may have been my impression. Anyway, the whole thing is a fake, a front, and whoever 'Charlie' is or isn't, wasn't even genuine about having any relationship to the store to begin with. Maybe that link only became convenient to the narrative they are trying to sell much later.
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@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex ok
It was scrubbed
Which was appropriateI haven't doxxed anybody, nor have I revealed anything that isn't publicly available. Please refrain from instructing people what to post and contacting me privately.
You didn't have problem giving me his name when you thought I didn't know it.
Or telling me info that you said was on Twitter, but now claim was sent to you privately. Why did you want to know my username on RPF and was that the real reason you contacted me?
Edit: I didn't look very hard, but I wasn't able to corroborate any of these claims about the supposed 'Charlile' person. I presume this to be just another deflection to the 'Charlie is just a really bad guy' narrative.
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My opinion is he's a real guy. The idea that he's some mastermind disinformation agent is really just an insult to disinformation agents, lol. I think he's a normal dude who's honestly not that bright. It's entirely possible to slander someone and mislead people through sheer stupidity and not intentional malice. Charles strikes me as the latter.
The gig will be up in a year or two. It's really a matter of when, not if, other people realize this toxic bile theory isn't making them healthier. His revenue stream with his businesses will begin to dry up and stabilize on a fringe minority who "supports the cause." I think this was more or less just a rebranding of sorts to draw more financial opportunity.
Doxxing may be frowned upon but seriously, wtf is going to happen to this guy? Literally nothing. Worse case scenario he wakes up one morning and steps outside to see a million carrots sticking out of his yard
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Liver stuck to his window if we really wanted to horrify him
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Asking the same question about Garrett Smith is an entirely different story. This guy may very well be doing things out of intentional malice. Grant actually doesn't strike that way to me, but I've only seen one interview with Grant. His message was basically "try it, it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't." Smith has made personal attacks against Peat inspired lifestyles for some reason. I don't know why, but it seems like he's grifting hard to grow the movement. It's real easy to attack different "spheres" on the periphery, and find those who aren't doing so well, convince them they've been lied to or led astray, and that they have the REAL answers. Maybe he's tapped into some of this energy. Wouldn't be that hard to do on RPF. Lets be honest for second, a lot of people had issues over there. None of it Ray's fault of course, mostly sheer stupidity on their behalf.
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@questforhealth Lmao! Yeah that would be better.
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@Mulloch94 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
My opinion is he's a real guy. The idea that he's some mastermind disinformation agent is really just an insult to disinformation agents, lol. I think he's a normal dude who's honestly not that bright. It's entirely possible to slander someone and mislead people through sheer stupidity and not intentional malice. Charles strikes me as the latter.
The gig will be up in a year or two. It's really a matter of when, not if, other people realize this toxic bile theory isn't making them healthier. His revenue stream with his businesses will begin to dry up and stabilize on" a fringe minority who "supports the cause." I think this was more or less just a rebranding of sorts to draw more financial opportunity.
Doxxing may be frowned upon but seriously, wtf is going to happen to this guy? Literally nothing. Worse case scenario he wakes up one morning and steps outside to see a million carrots sticking out of his yard
All we really know is that there is a person or persons names associated with the Life Giving Store, but that doesn't mean it has any relationship to "Charlie", and that link was only provided later by "Charlie".
We now know that the RPF is associated with Cambridge University, Dept of Pharmacology in the UK.
I doubt anybody was doxxed or harassed. It's all part of the narrative.
"Charlie" reminds of a caricature of what the Brits think of religious Trump followers who are also skeptical of big pharma and vaccines. Coincidentally when I was road-tripping through Eugene, I met and hung out with a lesbian British couple, who were nice enough when I drove them to swimming holes and other places, and gave them things to use on their trip to CA, but the night I was out drinking with them I saw what they really thought of Americans when we encountered a young drunk college student and they derided him as the typical stupid American. Pissed me off enough to make some comments of my own and walk away.
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@C-Mex Well a lot of businesses do have forum sponsors. If Charlie isn't running LGS then it's certainly probable he knows the people who run it.
I still don't know what to think about the Cambridge thing, it's seems circumstantial at best. Amazon reserves server space for the CIA, yet there's still a lot of legitimate people who use their server space as well.
The weird religious extremism is the one thing I absolutely agree with you on. This isn't your typical "live right by god" rhetoric. He's spewing all sorts of fringe conspiracy shit. From the outside it would definitely be a bad look for Trump supporters. You wouldn't want this guy to sell the MAGA pitch to a bunch of skeptical democrats for sure, lol.
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I think Charlie is probably just another "victim" of Garrett's propaganda. But because he has a platform, he useful in spreading Smith's message around.
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Not buying it. All of these people have an agenda beyond just selling products to the public, and the antagonistic messaging is even counter to the latter.
Edit: I'm certain the address has nothing to do with the server location. The Ray Peat Forum 'non-profit' is in the UK and the address is associated with the University of Cambridge Department of Pharmacology. I don't see any way that could be mistaken for a server location as these business information sites aren't getting that information. I think it would be like saying I'm from wherever the servers are that my internet service provider uses, and I don't see them even knowing that information.
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So they establish the online 'business' Life Giving Store in the heart of Trump country and the Bible Belt to try to establish legitimacy for the relationship to the RPF and 'Charlie's' religious and Trump leanings. Florida and Georgia (think Marjorie Taylor Greene, US Rep for Georgia).
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This may have been mentioned earlier, but Such Labs is/was also associated with the same male individual at the address given in Tallahassee FL, and the woman's name now associated with the Life Giving Store (address in Georgia) is also associated with the Florida address. All publicly available information.
I guess Such Labs was the precursor to the Life Giving Store? Did 'Charlie' ever claim any relationship to Such Labs?
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HMofG!! this thread has taken a dark turn. Good detective work everyone. The Cambridge University connection is a bit worrying not least because of the publications coming from the psychology department on health misinformation
https://www.sdmlab.psychol.cam.ac.uk/research/misinformation-publications
A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.
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Not to mention the echo (in my mind at least) of the works of Aleksandr Kogan and Cambridge Analytica.
Then again. ZoomInfo et al are notoriously schizo in their auto-connections. Still there must be a reason for that association. It's a strange one. I'm still on there, apparently working for several different outfits. When in reality I just moved on.
I would quite like an excuse to make the 2 hour drive and do this again. Would a meme RPF investigation land me in the bottom of the channels of little Venice. The time of year is certainly approaching to find out.
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@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:
HMofG!! this thread has taken a dark turn. Good detective work everyone. The Cambridge University connection is a bit worrying not least because of the publications coming from the psychology department on health misinformation
https://www.sdmlab.psychol.cam.ac.uk/research/misinformation-publications
Very interesting. Great citations as to where things are and where they are going, and the author of the book links to WHO "Infodemic Management", etc. People have to realize just how large the online censorship apparatus is -- it's a mature industry -- but they still had problems with someone like Peat who didn't use social media and seemed to get attention from his website alone. Social media infiltration, 'prebunking', 'psychological innoculation', political bias in judging 'misinformation', 'accuracy nudging' and US conservatives...and more. It's all there. We were a perfect little test population, even though not all of us are conservatives.
Edit: It is particularly bothersome to me how much the censorship industry -- and now it appears the social media infiltration racket -- has permeated academia, and been offered and embraced as legitimate 'research'.
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@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@BioEclectic said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@yerrag
As a lifelong student of history, rewriting and erasing is visceral.Large smear campaigns are bad enough but the time to really worry are when names and bodies of work begin to disappear (has anyone tried to research Gilbert Ling a second time lately, without resorting to books?). I can name and discuss estoric historical examples all day long.
The web and digital are both great and terrible places to store information btw.
They're actually doing more than just erasing the likes of Gilbert Ling, pushing what advances our station as humans by depriving us of revolutionary knowledge, but also depriving of access literally to tools to apply such knowledge to improve our health.
I know. Just my experience with using hundred dollar devices made by Chinese companies from Shenzhen speaks volumes.
One of them is a ring that takes very accurate measurements of oxygen saturation and displays them in a chart. To visualize what the fluctuations in spO2 that even in the ICU (where I had the serendipity to be confined in due a stroke of luck- a perfect storm that landed me there) I cannot see with all their expensive monitoring devices there.
I am constantly adding these tools. So I'm aware when future versions of software such as apps become dumbed down and become toys for the average consumer.
I have spent the past two days trying to make an app work for the O²Ring, which I had been using for the past 3 years, and learning a lot from using it as it relates to my health. The insight I got from it has been invaluable. I know because during my confinement I spoke about my findings with my attending doctors and they could not relate to what I was showing them.
The new app for the O²Ring has been dumbed down, and I had been using older versions of the app for a while already. But then all of a sudden, the old apps started crashing. I kept on installing and using older and older versions of the app, until the oldest version In could find. All crashed. In my old phone as well as in my newer android phone. Such that it rendered my O²Ring practically useless except for the newer apps giving very little information amidst all the eye candy in user interface design. It essentially making an app meant for users of the Oura. Simplified and meant for the user to accept the expertise and AI involved in interpreting the data for him.
Unless I can write my own app and have access to the APIs, which are protected by IP (intellectual property) laws, my exploration deeper into applying what we know of bioenergetics from the likes of Ling and Peat on my own with low cost but powerful devices from the Chinese will become more and more difficult.
The only way all the old apps would keep crashing, I believe, has to do with the Android software that has lately been seeded with code that makes even old apps crash. I think in this area the powers that be are beginning to insidiously make the masses paupers in using low cost and empowering tools to better their health. Such devices are lately becoming more commonplace, and the sensors used are getting cheaper as they become more accurate. They are now nipping this nascent wave in the bud.
Another sign to add to what is happening to RPF as they start corralling us like cattle into the feed lot.
I hate this crap so much.
But more importantly you may have more tangible need than most. You may wish to check out "Apktool" (assuming this is on Android) which could allow you to reverse engineer these Chinese IoT monstrosities. Or farm the job out to a wizard on Mechanical Turk or similar service. Or ask nicely the people at the XDA developers forum.
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According to a strangers pet rabbit, who's handy with a perfectly legal and public DNS recon service. There may or may not be a 777 subdomain unprotected by cloudflare, that indicates hosting in California.
A Linux/FTP joke or occult reference. Who knows.
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I'm not sure that the physical location of the server is relevant. Someone might choose a host based on location or create a subdomain or whatever to speed up access time to the server by being located physically closer to the intended audience. Besides that, do servers typically come with a street address, such as XXX Tennis Court Rd, and a postal code? I've only seen regional or city information. Cloudflare indicated Reykjavik Iceland for example. ZoomInfo somehow came up with that Cambridge address that corresponds to the University Dept of Pharmacology by searching public records of some sort.
