New "Mission" of RPF
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So just to summarize, because it is hard to talk to anybody about this who hasn't lived this experience.
We're talking about an online community for alternative health information based upon the work of Dr. Ray Peat, a biologist and researcher who obtained a PhD from the University of Oregon and then continued his research and teaching career independently and began publishing his original work online in 2005.
An online community was created in 2012, by an anonymous individual who claims to have obtained the go-ahead by e-mail from Dr. Peat, who died in 2022. The online Forum was named the Ray Peat Forum. The moderator of the Ray Peat Forum recently produced an e-mail wherein Dr. Peat gave his approval for the forum in his name with the provision that the forum proceed along the lines of disestablishing the medical system, along the lines of Ivan Illich, a person among whose work had inspired him. Another separate e-mail by Dr. Peat to someone who knew him (date?) demonstrated that he did not know who created the forum and expressed concerns that they were promoting their own interests above his own.
Subsequent to the death of Dr. Peat, many changes transpired with the Ray Peat Forum. First it changed to a subscription/pay model with the exception of established members. Following that was the complete change of focus and character of the forum. Certain theories that were antithetical to Dr. Peat's work were forcibly promoted, and longtime members began to be banned and/or drowned out by other "testimonials" about how Dr. Peat's diet advice was "toxic". Certain characters emerged claiming to be 'experts' and deriding Dr. Peat personally and his work while promoting the false narrative that Vitamin A and Copper are 'toxic' and responsible for every health problem on the face of the earth. When members complained they were summarily banned for being disrespectful or other trivial reasons. Everyone who wasn't part of this campaign could see that none of this was in line with Dr. Peat's view of authoritarians and miracle cures. There was a decidedly religious-right tone to the discourse that made it hard to ignore the political undertones and was drowning out all communication, and the banning resulted in the illusion of consensus which was likely intentional. Many people moved on. It was reported that internet IP's from Russia were banned.
Suspicions began to arise when certain narratives were promoted that seemed to conveniently provide an alternate explanation for vaccine or pharmaceutical-related injuries. A new forum began for refugees from the Ray Peat Forum and questions were asked. Online searches revealed a possible connection of the Ray Peat Forum to the University of Cambridge Department of Pharmacology in the UK, the Wellcome Trust at Cambridge (a pharma-borne foundation connected to Bill Gates), intelligence ties to Cambridge and a possible link to the Psychology Department at Cambridge University involved in "prebunking" health and vaccine 'misinformation'. The false narrative perpetuated by these individuals that have come forth to criticize Dr. Peat's dietary advice claiming that Vitamin A and Copper are responsible for all auto-immune conditions is now being perpetuated on Twitter and other social media platforms, and the owner of the Ray Peat Forum continually refuses to change the domain name of the Ray Peat Forum although it has wildly diverged from anything resembling Dr. Ray Peat's work, while also promoting this false narrative which gives the mistaken impression that this is some kind of continuation and improvement of Dr. Peat's work.
There is a distinct possibility that the Ray Peat Forum was created to discredit Dr. Peat, gain an understanding of the psychology of the community and information suitable for 'prebunking', and dissuade alternative health seekers from any true understanding of his pioneering work. The larger agenda of providing an alternate if unfounded explanation for what have been suspected to be vaccine or pharmaceutical injuries cannot be overlooked.
Por fin. I had to get that out of me.
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@C-Mex Garrett Smith is central to this. The RPF is just an advertisement for him now. All anti-Peat Twitter is centered on referring to him.
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Looks like @zawisza may be on their payroll.
Of all the addresses in the world for ZoomInfo to get wrong, it somehow links Ray Peat Forum supposedly founded by a guy in Florida to Cambridge University Pharmacology, Wellcome Trust and the World Health Organization?
Sure Jan.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
They scanned some data that linked it to that address in Cambridge, UK. The complaint is about getting one address wrong, 400 miles away.
If you had some desire to actually understand what's going on instead of jumping on the bandwagon and piling as much shit as possible on a guy you hate, you would maybe have easier time understanding this. ICANN has redacted organization's address for privacy since they used cloudflare for hosting so there's no way of actually knowing the true addrss. Zoominfo can only "guess" their address by maliciously scanning users' emails and scraping the web. It's enough for the address to be mentioned on the website; it doesn't have to be associated actually with the website (just like in the article I sent). If you had read the article I posted you would know how wrong they can be, how they refuse to change, and that it's not just one address as you try to imply.
Knowing how zoominfo works, we should expected the Cambridge address to be present somewhere in the forum. And it is:
IP3 Receptors: Toward Understanding Their Activation
Colin W. Taylor and Stephen C. Tovey
Department of Pharmacology, University of Cambridge, Tennis Court Road, Cambridge, CB2 1PD, United Kingdom
Correspondence:Email: ku.ca.mac@0001twc
2010Zoominfo found this address and assigned it to the website even though it's completely unrelated. Other "services" showing website info probably copied this from zoominfo since most of them scrape each other.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
What if the intelligence agencies just didn't forsee what data the business reporting sites would be able to collect and aggregate?
In your spite you unquestionably believe some scammy data-scraping company that maliciously intersects users' emails and think that somehow they got one over CIA and other glowies. This is pathetic.
@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues.
Is this your attempt at this technique to redirect peoples' brainpower and waste it on such retarded topics instead of doing something helpful? Do you get paid for this?
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Im not sure how some mom from NC (me)
Mentioning I spoke with my FIL- a lawyer
Would make Charlie change the forum name
(not domain which I had hoped) from the RPF to the Low Toxic Lifestyle or whatever it is nowThis happened early on page 7 of this thread
Knowing how Charlie was reading here
He did it within hours after copyright laws etc were mentionedThe CIA would give zero shtts I even mentioned something like that
This grander narrative
Although possible
Not probable imoCharlie, Garrett, Thor whoever being “unfuckable” (earlier reference by someone else) is more plausible imo
As an aside:
Genuinely stunned at the sheep following this fool over on the forum
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@zawisza said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Knowing how zoominfo works
Sure, but taking locations from forum posts out of context seems unlikely.
It's also a stretch to describe their racket as "scammy" or "malicious".
@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
ZoomInfo et al are notoriously schizo in their auto-connections.
https://www.zoominfo.com/faqs/data/how-does-zoominfo-get-my-info
Oh no. My brain power has been redirected. Whatever will I do.
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@jwayne said in New "Mission" of RPF:
"This forum will never be private"
Read the whole thread.
Interesting thread for many reasons. One thing it provides is confirmation of Charlie's name. although the original post where the comment was made is gone, Charlie quoted it himself.
It also looks like he had been collecting the digital fingerprints of anybody visiting the site.
I've got two words: Surveillance State.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Sorry I can't help myself. I'm only here to vomit a bit of technically minded rationality. We're all on a road, I'm authentically liberal and democratic. I don't want to derail or stop a discussion.
His statement about fingerprinting there is fair. It's practically an art and no one should be under any illusion. The internet is not and has never been an anonymous environment. Only one where identity can be obfuscated and misattributed. But depending on severity that too can be unwound. Where there's a will there's a way. The only question that matters is whether it would stand up in court. I'm a law abiding citizen, so this is just an intellectual exercise for me.
The method in the article below peaks my nerd for using execution characteristics beneath the abstractions we're used to. And it's by no means the only way.
I also have two words: Corporate Personhood.
If the inhabitants of a "progressive" form of civilisation want to have their cake and eat it. We probably will have digital ID. And it will be the responsibility of the population to keep the implications of that in check. At all times.
The more we can understand how we arrived here and keep a cool head about it. The less likely things will be done in the midst of "crisis".
In many ways a "surveillance state" exists to deal with psychological aberrations that can arise from misunderstanding complexity. I'm not sympathising, it's just True. So help me God.
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God as 'he'? I know something is there... But a he??? Idk...
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@zawisza said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Is this your attempt at this technique to redirect peoples' brainpower and waste it on such retarded topics instead of doing something helpful? Do you get paid for this?
What is “helpful” that I should be doing according to you?
And how is it “topic dilution” and “redirection” when this thread is literally about what the fck happened to RPF ?
You came in here calling us “schizo” and “mentally sick”. I’m open to being wrong. But in light of what we know about Ray being a person of interest since Blake College, Charlie deliberately tanking his userbase, Ray being viciously slandered and Garrett Smith taking over - any sane person would have questions since none of it makes any fcking sense.
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This screenshot was shared in 2013.
It also appears in this thread and seemingly Charlie was ok with it because he comments further down. https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/experience-with-vitamin-a-and-acne.1491/page-2
The address matches a former address of Life Giving Store. https://www.bizapedia.com/ga/life-giving-store-llc.html
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@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Sorry I can't help myself. I'm only here to vomit a bit of technically minded rationality. We're all on a road, I'm authentically liberal and democratic. I don't want to derail or stop a discussion.
His statement about fingerprinting there is fair. It's practically an art and no one should be under any illusion. The internet is not and has never been an anonymous environment. Only one where identity can be obfuscated and misattributed. But depending on severity that too can be unwound. Where there's a will there's a way. The only question that matters is whether it would stand up in court. I'm a law abiding citizen, so this is just an intellectual exercise for me.
The method in the article below peaks my nerd for using execution characteristics beneath the abstractions we're used to. And it's by no means the only way.
I also have two words: Corporate Personhood.
If the inhabitants of a "progressive" form of civilisation want to have their cake and eat it. We probably will have digital ID. And it will be the responsibility of the population to keep the implications of that in check. At all times.
The more we can understand how we arrived here and keep a cool head about it. The less likely things will be done in the midst of "crisis".
In many ways a "surveillance state" exists to deal with psychological aberrations that can arise from misunderstanding complexity. I'm not sympathising, it's just True. So help me God.
I think you are rationalizating abuse and potential government overreach of the technology. Of course I know that capabilities are there and have been there for some time, but many people don't. Until people start calling out the misuse of surveillance and tracking capabilities and bringing attention to the issue we will continue to see more infringements on our liberties.
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@zawisza said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Looks like @zawisza may be on their payroll.
Of all the addresses in the world for ZoomInfo to get wrong, it somehow links Ray Peat Forum supposedly founded by a guy in Florida to Cambridge University Pharmacology, Wellcome Trust and the World Health Organization?
Sure Jan.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
They scanned some data that linked it to that address in Cambridge, UK. The complaint is about getting one address wrong, 400 miles away.
If you had some desire to actually understand what's going on instead of jumping on the bandwagon and piling as much shit as possible on a guy you hate, you would maybe have easier time understanding this. ICANN has redacted organization's address for privacy since they used cloudflare for hosting so there's no way of actually knowing the true addrss. Zoominfo can only "guess" their address by maliciously scanning users' emails and scraping the web. It's enough for the address to be mentioned on the website; it doesn't have to be associated actually with the website (just like in the article I sent). If you had read the article I posted you would know how wrong they can be, how they refuse to change, and that it's not just one address as you try to imply.
Knowing how zoominfo works, we should expected the Cambridge address to be present somewhere in the forum. And it is:
IP3 Receptors: Toward Understanding Their Activation
Colin W. Taylor and Stephen C. Tovey
Department of Pharmacology, University of Cambridge, Tennis Court Road, Cambridge, CB2 1PD, United Kingdom
Correspondence:Email: ku.ca.mac@0001twc
2010Zoominfo found this address and assigned it to the website even though it's completely unrelated. Other "services" showing website info probably copied this from zoominfo since most of them scrape each other.
Everyone is getting caught up in the minutiae of this post’s tone or whatever, but he’s basically proved that the Cambridge connection is a “glitch” in zoominfo
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:
No surprise there. This is serious.
Also the Wellcome trust is based on Tennis Court Road in Cambridge
What a coincidence.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2015/03/opp1128295
I read this article about the Wellcome when it was first published in 2021 - worth reading again
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Charlie owns lifegivingstore which is not registered under the name Charles Mathers
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So you are saying that one citation within one post with that address prompted Zoominfo to presume that to be address of the RPF? Doesn't seem likely to me. It clearly states The Deparment of Phamacology before that address, and I don't think they scan the acutal user content of forums for that kind of information.
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@C-Mex they probably can scan the user content and their automated system is pulling that address and assuming it’s related to the forum’s ownership due to the link between the forum’s content type and that address.
Don’t get me wrong I do think there is some kind of conspiracy going on here but I think that connection to Cambridge is tenuous at best.
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I agree that it needs more looking into, but it is just too much of a coincidence, and it would explain the absolutely bizarre circumstances surrounding the RPF. However, I am doubtful that it would pick up one address from the user content and ascribe that to the address for the forum. Why wouldn't it pick up the Life Giving Store address or any other address that might be contained in the content if it were looking there? Ray Peat's PO box address is in there. My understanding it that the algorithms search business records and possibly business-associated e-mail addresses among other data, but not user content.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
it would explain the absolutely bizarre circumstances surrounding the RPF
No, it would explain nothing. Why would a supposed malicious actor use address of pharmacology dept.? I know that you posted loads of supposed connections to the place but the person who would be setting up the honeypot would not be working in pharmacology dept. and, if as you insinuated he would be a state funded actor, he would know better than to use real address connected to him. Most likely he would make sure that any address used for registration is private, for example by using cloudflare... just like "Charlie" did which is why you have to resort to terrible services like Zoominfo.
To summarize, you are implying that the malevolent actor is at the same time connected to the best founded organizations (or government 3-letter agencies) with long tract record of censorship etc and at the same time he is completely incompetent to a point where Zoominfo can find out his true address.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
My understanding it that the algorithms search business records and possibly business-associated e-mail addresses among other data, but not user content.
Your understanding is incorrect as I said before. If only you would have cared to read the article I sent, you would know that it compiles data in two ways:
- Scraping the web for company and contact information through their proprietary web crawler called NextGenSearchBot.
- Through email plugins that collect email signature information such as name, title, company, phone numbers and email addresses.
"Scraping the web" means that they are scraping everything in the forum including user content.
