New "Mission" of RPF
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@ThinPicking Interesting. I would like to believe it’s just that. Maybe he is just a delusional idiot but is unknowingly being manipulated in some way. Remember Ray Peat has been watched by the govt since the 60s. The filmmakers that interviewed him back in 2015ish had to book an Air B&B to film at because his place had been broken into and all messed up - papers everywhere. Apparently “they” would periodically do that over the years I guess to intimidate him.
So that film never got made... the forum implodes a year after his death... Mercola making moves to market a Progest E of his own... con man Garrett fueling the fire that Ray’s diet is toxic... it’s all weird as hell.
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Regarding Mercola... the plot thickens https://twitter.com/unhealthytruth/status/1757912904677134468
I posted this in the other thread but in case you don’t know these two are agents of Big Pharma https://web.archive.org/web/20210623203759/https://www.waronwethepeople.com/sex-drugs-internet-fraud-the-secret-life-of-erin-elizabeth-finn-and-dr-joseph-mercola/
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@ilovethesea I just can’t not think of Katherine.
And Ray….Fccking unreal…
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@ThinPicking Interesting. I would like to believe it’s just that. Maybe he is just a delusional idiot but is unknowingly being manipulated in some way. Remember Ray Peat has been watched by the govt since the 60s. The filmmakers that interviewed him back in 2015ish had to book an Air B&B to film at because his place had been broken into and all messed up - papers everywhere. Apparently “they” would periodically do that over the years I guess to intimidate him.
To me this is actually quite possible. Idiots do tend to be quite predictable. So you could poke them at a distance and have a reasonable idea how they'll respond. Even in sequence. If you're sick and twisted enough to be that way inclined. As many arms of the state probably are these days.
Or... it always just looks that way to us. And life is strange.
I've no way of knowing. I'm fine with that.
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I fat fingered my way here this morning.
https://raypeaty.com/index.php
Who is this, someone here? lol
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@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I fat fingered my way here this morning.
https://raypeaty.com/index.php
Who is this, someone here? lol
Deserves its own post imo
If you have not done so alreadyOne act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.
-DB
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I suspect charlie hastily created RPF and reading and understanding ray peat's ideas took a back seat to his running and managing the website. this is evident in that he had not shown a mastery that comes from carefully reading Ray's newsletters and books in a way that allows him to internalize Ray's piecemeal approach to discovery where an earnest subscriber to Ray's writings could be able to slowly connect the dots and over time be able to form a comprehensive understanding of human physiology based on the fruits of Ray's condensation and encapsulation of his thorough and faithfully dedicated research that avoids the pitfalls of most researchers, who fail in digging through primary sources and are stuck with blending false artifacts of research based on funding that are contingent on pushing a false narrative where truth is secondary to profit.
If you have tried to read Ray's books and newsletters, you would know what I am talking about, as I've tried to do that and I don't even think I covered even a fifth, much less a tenth, of Peat's body of work. It isn't for the faint of heart or the weak of mind, as I find it hard to speed read through his material and to understand and internalize what he conveys I have to read at a glacial pace.
If you listen mostly to Peat's interviews, you'll likely get only only an imperfect and partially and even inaccurate understanding of Ray Peat's discoveries that he presents in his books and in reading his books, you still don't quite get the whole body of Ray's accumulated research. As you will need to be updated with subscribing and reading his newsletters. An example of that is on his latest newsletters, he began to talk more about reductive stress, and as I keep up with his writing, I would get to form a better understanding of what reductive stress is. Even as Ray wasn't able to fully explain what reductive stress in a "reductive stress for dummies" way, before his untimely death got in the way, I would slowly have developed a workable and practical understanding of what constitutes reductive stress and even be able to explain it and differentiate it from oxidative stress.
In most areas of study, it would be easier to write an encyclopedic A to Z, "All You Need to Know About Yadayada," "For Dummies" type of book that would give one a fairly good Reader's Digest version of that area of knowledge, but with Peatology it is near impossible to do.
I believe it is because the body is basically a system of interrelationships that rely on a balance of different background processes. Losing that balance leads the body to compensate in the hope that the adaptation is only temporary as the body self-adjusts to restore that balance. Because most of us is not conscious much less aware of what is going on, and even when aware we do not understand how to help the body heal itself, we tend to do nothing but allow the stress from adaptation to become a permanently worsening state. This creates a chronic state that keeps adding more stressful demands on the body. As time passes, the effects of chronic stress begin to show and slowly we begin to degenerate and become more vulnerable as a ticking time bomb that would catch us off guard.
Understanding Ray's ideas more and more to be on the situation of having the balance that simply put is the result of our bodily processes being in a virtuous cycle that comes only from having a good understanding of what's good for us and what's not, and not being in a state of confusion about what's good and what's bad. That is an ideal situation to be in and that is what 99.99% of us are painfully not in. Instead, most of us are outside and in a state of chronic adaptation in varying degrees of being in vicious cycles.
What is worse, we are surrounded by doctors and supposed healers whose abilities are mostly inadequate, mostly having to pick up scraps from the mounds of litter that are considered knowledge wrapped in an expensive piece of paper, and many supposed healers are better in marketing their services than in healing clients, while good healers have a distaste for self-aggrandizing that they are less recognized.
If my read on charlie is right, it is like having a general lead you in a battle who is ill prepared on the art of war and the only thing he is capable of is in putting you in battles you have no chance of winning.
A war rages on in each of our own body every day. We all seem to be winning as we are breathing and living. But we are helpless as well, as we are felled easily by the element of surprise. As we don't even have an iota of what to measure to give us a "feel of where the wind is blowing" as far as virtuous or vicious cycles are concerned.
RPF is a failure IMHO in that even before Charlie began to take it into the land of soya milk and saccharin, I have not seen a case of transformation from metabolically diseased to metabolically sound. Instead, I see obese getting more obese and these failures blame it on sugar. And blame it on the "Ray Peat" diet, which I take to simply mean that these people cannot metabolize sugar optimally, and before fixing their body to be able to metabolize sugar optimally, the jump straight to a nutritional lifestyle that is rich in carbs, because Ray Peat says sugar is good. But if course they will fail. Because while sugar is good, it is only good for a metabolically healthy body. And when the body is not, the person will be obese and overweight, or be sickly from hypoglycemia.
Too bad. But RPF is just Exhibit A when it comes to health forums. Bad ideas eventually take over like rotting apples. That is what Curezone has become, as well as many others.
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In the thread "Why are VPNS banned?":
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@Luke said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Did he let you back in after the infamous Mr. Mercola incident?
Howdy Mr Luke. Yes that one was a temporary ban for a couple of weeks. For recent events and further observations, it seems likely to me that was temporary because I didn't do anything to threaten his appearance (almost politically) or worldview. And that's basically the crux of his "moderation" method as far as I can see. Aside from those who obviously violate terms or troll, many who've been left confused by their often silent bans over the years have probably just said things that were so True they'd be liable to cause some reflection and reformation. Such things can be too energetic for some. They resist.
Then I got banned again. Which should have been permanent. But a very kind and highly regarded contributor asked nicely (thanks again).
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@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I fat fingered my way here this morning.
https://raypeaty.com/index.php
Who is this, someone here? lol
Deserves its own post imo
If you have not done so alreadyYes ma'am, done
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A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.
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@yerrag Great job here, yerrag.
Thanks so much for this terrific wrrite-up.
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@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Good to see you here! Yes. This also includes:
- pro fiber
- pro potassium
- pro molybdenum(not sure how Peat felt about this subject
- avoiding copper
- avoid dairy
- avoid vitamin d supplements(rat poison)
- avoid niacinamide as @Peatly mentioned
some things that may be toxic bile theory that I'm not sure of:
- avoiding vitamin e
- avoiding hormones
Additionally, Charlie is on the fence about aspirin. It should no longer be called the Ray Peat forum by any stretch. I think I may pay for a membership and disagree using studies.
- avoid caffeine (insecticide)
- niacinamide is replaced by niacin/nicotinamide
- avoid spicy food, coffee, tea, coca cola
- avoid all fruits except apples, bananas and green grapes
- avoid all vegetables except lettuce and beans
- three bowel movements per day (required for "detox")
My new favorite Charlie expression is: "I was made for this moment." I think the serious harm is in the reduction of all illnesses to the liver, as in the <500 IU/day vitamin A thesis. Human health is not so simple as that and yet he's maligning the forum so to reduce it exactly to that.
The motivation seems to be, "This worked for me to lose 50 pounds. And has helped others on the low-A message boards. Also, Garrett Smith wrote a book." I'm suspicious of what these message boards are like. Does anyone have a link to what communities Charlie and InChristAlone are visiting? They've been indoctrinated by whatever they are, and I'd like to see how that happens.
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The messiah complex is a mental state in which a person believes they are a messiah or prophet and will save or redeem people in a religious endeavour. The term can also refer to a state of mind in which an individual believes that they are responsible for saving or assisting others.
The term "messiah complex" is not addressed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as it is not a clinical term nor diagnosable disorder. However, the symptoms as a proposed disorder closely resemble those found in individuals with delusions of grandeur or with grandiose self-images that veer towards the delusional. An account specifically identified it as a category of religious delusion, which pertains to strong fixed beliefs that cause distress or disability. It is the type of religious delusion that is classified as grandiose while the other two categories are: persecutory and belittled’.
In terms of the attitude wherein an individual sees themselves as having to save another or a group of poor people, there is the notion that the action inflates their own sense of importance and discounts the skills and abilities of the people they are helping to improve their own lives.
The messiah complex is most often reported in patients with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia When a messiah complex is manifested within a religious individual after a visit to Jerusalem, it may be identified as a psychosis known as Jerusalem syndrome.
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@Regina You're welcome. Thanks for standing up to charlie (and that includes many former ROF members here). My regret is I got banned earlier (September last year) so I didn't get the purple heart sendoff you all did.
In an email exchange I had with Ray, I was surprised that he didn't know much about RPF, and when I broached the subject of the "Ray Peat" diet, he was quick to say there is no such diet. I only brought that subject up because I wanted to ask him if he could spare the time to write about how to make someone transform from poor sugar metabolism to spanking good.
It was revealing that Ray Peat never recognized nor endorsed RPF. I thought it strange Ray would do some podcasts with Gyorgi and with Danny, but Charlie was never acknowledged afaik. Now I think I know why. Ray, I suspect, knew something if only by gut feel and he must go by the adage that if you had nothing pleasant to say about someone, it is best to stay mum. I was late to the party.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter
