New "Mission" of RPF
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@oldchem said in New "Mission" of RPF:
if i wasn't completely convinced of the sheer stupidity of the people involved, i would be right there in agreement that there is something else going on here. i wouldn't underestimate how erratic an unhealthy organism who has been in a bad state of health for probably over a decad
Can't disagree there TBH, but then that's how they sold us on the 'crazed lone gunman' theories in the 60's too, lol. The absolute about-face of Charlie, his presence, and the forum policies after the death of Dr. Peat just has me doing a double-take. Then there's the entrance of Dr. Mercola on the scene with some reportedly strange goings-on with his business/newfound spirituality coincidentally or not after showing an interest in Dr. Peat's work via Haidut. I have no idea if this is related or not, but it is odd. I feel for Haidut because his business is tied in with the RPF, and I think he is still trying to keep it afloat, but just try asking questions over there about this new dogma and you will be ignored or told that something is 'toxic' and the conversation will continue on without you. It's a given that's Peat's work is irrelevant. It's been asked before where this contingent of people suddenly came from. Charlie says it is because they never had a 'voice' before, but why would that be if they've been members for years?
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
It's been asked before where this contingent of people suddenly came from. Charlies says it is because they never had a 'voice' before, but why would that be if they've been members for years?
this to me is by far the most interesting aspect of this scenario. it is also a bit rich for admin to claim those people didn't have a voice. according to member (now banned i believe) 'raypeatclips', there was a period where disagreeing with the board consensus on fat intake would get you banned. he mentioned this happening several times on various subjects if i remember correctly. suffice to say, if there was a period where people did not have a voice it was purely because of admins decision to censure them. so why the change of heart? well, there is no change of heart, disagreeing (insulting at this point really) with peat is now acceptable/encouraged because it's what the admin is personally doing himself.
it does appear to be the case that some of these people have been doing low vitA for a few years now, admin claimed around 2018/2019 he had been doing some sort of grape diet/morse diet which is where he discovered the low vA "solution", likewise i think that deranged christ woman who posted 260 times in 3 days in the raypeat subreddit until getting banned has been doing low vA for some years now. this is of course per their own postings on rpf, at this stage i don't really trust these peoples own assessment of how they eat, these are the same people who insist fructose is poison while eating 6 apples and 5 bananas per day. delusional.
i must say though, im not shocked these people are proponents of this theory, nor am i shocked this particular caste has seemingly bought into this theory en masse, and i believe i have an explanation. i mentioned the fella several times as i have particular ire for him but the minute i saw matt stone was a proponent of low vA i knew this was going to make the rounds in all the usual suspects who hop from fad to fad, so here we are. people who have had issues for decades and don't seem to be getting closer to a solution, reading health groups day and night looking for the next big thing. i mention all of this to say, i think this explains "where" they are coming from.
that being said, everything else you point out is undeniable and can't be overlooked: blake college, the deranged mercola meltdown, etc. an uncanny amount of coincidence.
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Thanks for indulging me, and what you're saying does make sense.
However, I just look at the lengths they went through to set up Oswald and probably the other 'lone gunman' assassins but it is more about information control and discrediting/disrupting popular movements these days, and it would not defy belief to me that agents of the establishment are in and among the online community. Ray Peat's thoughts and research always challenged the system and we are in he midst of a particularly precarious popular movement at the moment IMO, that has a lot to do with questioning the established medical system (which as it turns out has more and more to do with the mainstream media and the military industrial complex than we knew) as it were. The idea that his work would be displaced by a self-proclaimed "Nutrition Detective" and 'expert on Vitamin A toxicity' by the RPF seems beyond ridiculous, but maybe I just have a suspicious mind of late.
As usual tactics, it could be a combination of purposeful agents along with some useful idiots, Pointing to Oswald and what is known about him -- the lengths they went to to set him up as a patsy probably years before the final plan was even conceived much less executed (read JFK and the Unspeakable for reference) I think it is possible that the death of Ray Peat provided an opportunity for those looking for a way to disrupt the movement and/or discredit him and disperse those following his work by using agents already established online and the patsies that follow them (no offense to anyone, lol). We know less and less about what goes on behind the scenes online and with AI in the present and in our future we have to be aware of the very real threats of online manipulation. Wasn't Charlie using chatGP to generate some messages? I just find it incredibly convenient to the establishment that RP's work is being questioned and even called 'toxic' by its some of its supposed foremost advocates at this particular point in history.
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@questforhealth said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Hmm. Whats up here?
Charlie's business 'Life Giving Store' just started stocking a new product. You can guess what it is.
I imagine people are having bad reactions because it's a shit quality product or it's because niacin is inferior to niancinamide.
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Genuinely curious how do the pro VA camp explain the fact that once VA/ retinoids acid gets dumped into the blood from the liver, which happens on a reduced VA diet, wreaks havoc on the body and causes toxic effects?
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@GreekDemiGod Hi, what is the evidence for this claim? Does this claim imply that there isnt any other "vitamin" that above a certain threshold or above a certain threshold relative to other elements in the blood, is associated with "toxic effets", and that "vitamins" can increase unlimitedly in the blood without causing "toxic effects"?
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Genuinely curious why you're dumb enough to uses phrases like "pro VA camp". It's a fundamental feature of life Greek.
Also genuinely curious why you're desperate for any explanation other than "I was stupid" to explain the remaining aspects of this you're clinging on to for dear life.
Actually though. It's probably a better idea for you and I to ask these important questions in your existing VA curiosity thread.
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@ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Genuinely curious why you're dumb enough to uses phrases like "pro VA camp". It's a fundamental feature of life Greek.
Also genuinely curious why you're desperate for any explanation other than "I was stupid" to explain the remaining aspects of this you're clinging on to for dear life.
Actually though. It's probably a better idea for you and I to ask these important questions in your existing VA curiosity thread.
Hi, I suggest that this animosity is not legitimate, he has seen some temporary benefits in changing his diet, even if he also had negative symptoms that made him stop, it probably makes him question why
Thrive for the highest degree of energy
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@Light I'm sorry I misinterpreted your comments. I wasn't trying to be confrontational or malicious.
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@Mulloch94 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I'm starting to think he's just an insane hypochondriac.
Or just has problems that cannot be remedied with diet and supplementation alone. Ray has often emphasised a stimulating life/environment as important factor in metabolic health. Charlie, even before the somewhat recent toxic bile/jihadi turn has always struck me as an isolated person bouncing from one cultish internet echo chamber to another, looking for an instant permanent fix to all his problems. I cannot imagine this kind of lifestyle can be compatible with health no matter how much you will deplete PUFA or whatever.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Why would Charlie insist on keeping Peat's name for his forum if he's totally abandoned every principle? If he was worried about losing his base he wouldn't be calling Dr. Peat's work 'toxic', knowing he would alienate many potential customers. Why insist on the obvious untruth that he's pushing an extension of Dr. Peat's work?
It might alienate those already deeply familiar with Dr. Peat's work, but people who just heard about "peating" on X or Mercola's podcast or wherever will be easily confused and misled.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/raypeat/comments/1axp1w4/what_is_going_on_in_the_forum_and_is_there_a/
Nice objective assessment imo
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Thanks for indulging me, and what you're saying does make sense.
However, I just look at the lengths they went through to set up Oswald and probably the other 'lone gunman' assassins but it is more about information control and discrediting/disrupting popular movements these days, and it would not defy belief to me that agents of the establishment are in and among the online community. Ray Peat's thoughts and research always challenged the system and we are in he midst of a particularly precarious popular movement at the moment IMO, that has a lot to do with questioning the established medical system (which as it turns out has more and more to do with the mainstream media and the military industrial complex than we knew) as it were. The idea that his work would be displaced by a self-proclaimed "Nutrition Detective" and 'expert on Vitamin A toxicity' by the RPF seems beyond ridiculous, but maybe I just have a suspicious mind of late.
As usual tactics, it could be a combination of purposeful agents along with some useful idiots, Pointing to Oswald and what is known about him -- the lengths they went to to set him up as a patsy probably years before the final plan was even conceived much less executed (read JFK and the Unspeakable for reference) I think it is possible that the death of Ray Peat provided an opportunity for those looking for a way to disrupt the movement and/or discredit him and disperse those following his work by using agents already established online and the patsies that follow them (no offense to anyone, lol). We know less and less about what goes on behind the scenes online and with AI in the present and in our future we have to be aware of the very real threats of online manipulation. Wasn't Charlie using chatGP to generate some messages? I just find it incredibly convenient to the establishment that RP's work is being questioned and even called 'toxic' by its some of its supposed foremost advocates at this particular point in history.
I’m inclined in this direction too. To add to this, there are threads on the RPF calling out the atrocities of covid. This includes threads documenting adverse events and deaths from the “vaccines.” Threads about the climate agendas and government conspiracies were an important source of information imo. How convenient that there is no one left on the forum who is motivated to keep those threads going. How convenient!!!
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@Peatly Where are PerryStaltic and LeeLemonoil, do you happen to know? Does anyone know?
I was a very discrete member, but this whole thing saddens me to the core. And I'm not sure anyone has planted this division, I think anxious people under pressure make very bad calls. A mixture of paranoia and messianic megalomania can most certainly be driving this behaviour on its own.
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@DonkeyDude No worries. Didn't want to derail the thread anymore, or be screenshot and dissected by the religious zealots.
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Anyone notice the Magnesium Potassium spray Charlie uses (and probably got the recipe from Garrett) is called MAGA-Pot? It's magnesium and potassium. A more fitting name would be Mag-Pot but no. They had to make it political.
It's so bizarre how seemingly everyone in Garrett's circle is a right wing religious zealot. Even the testimonials from the diet all point to a specific lifestyle and worldview. "Women have healthy babies, men can work harder for their families."
If you're gonna try to make a buck pushing a certain diet and supplements, it's not wise to alienate those who don't subscribe to your limited worldview. It's just dumb business practice.
edit - on second thought, it's actually good business. It's a calculated move to niche down to a specific target audience. Assuming there are enough right wing Christians to buy your products. Maybe they're aiming to be the go-to health practitioners/ supplement providers for God's chosen people. -
@Light Yes your latter analysis is correct. It's a grift. You have right wing coffee, right wing candles nowadays. ''Support a Christian company" works as a grift
