New "Mission" of RPF

Mulloch94

@Mulloch94 said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Peatly said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:

Blossom just posted her own before and after photos as a supposed “advertisement” for how well Garrett Smith’s diet works. I’m sorry to say but I find the after quite shocking.

Before - on Ray Peat diet

After 5 years of Garrett Smith

This is from here https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/ray-peat-and-toxic-bile-theory-in-what-way-do-these-philosophies-differ.52792/

It would be really helpful if we knew exactly what she was doing in her version of the “Ray Peat diet” wasn’t she on estrogen at one point? – Definitely not peaty. This massive weight loss has been achieved by periods of fasting. This is not just a low vitamin A diet this is also extreme dieting. Extreme weight loss can have a down side. As the saying goes........

I think Mike Fave's recent video basically touched on that idea. These people change too much at one time to ascertain the true nature on why they feel better. And more than likely it has something to do with getting foods out of their diet that was causing intestinal irritation or that otherwise just didn't digest well. Honestly alt health spheres are at a bad point when they change everything about their lifestyle and then pinpoint the lack of an essential vitamin to why they feel better. Standard American Diet isn't even that fucked up. I digress.

I may be wrong here, but I don't necessarily think it's dangerous for post-menopausal women to take estrogen provided they're also taking progesterone too. They basically need full hormone replacement therapy, not just estrogen by itself.

You are right, Mike Fave did cover those points in his video.

I disagree about estrogen - there was an exhaustive discussion about this on this thread on the RPF.

I think a vast majority of estrogen's detrimental effects are likely because doctors prescribe the wrong type. This is something doctor Michael Platt as discussed in his interviews on various pods. There's almost never a good reason to prescribe anyone estradiol. And women can get the vaginal benefits without the pro-tumor side effects from using estriol cream. But no matter what estrogen is used it should still be matched with progesterone.

Mulloch94

@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Mulloch94 Thank you so much.
I don't know how I would have gotten out of the state I was in without finding Ray Peat or Georgi.
The young adults behind me in the photo are some of the children of my multi-decade clique of friends. Unfortunately, when I saw my friends, their parents, my heart skipped a beat. They are all into low-carb. Sugar is evil. What I saw were shrunken friends. Literally, shrunken heads. Thick skin on atrophied wiry bodies. Even thinner chins. I am by no means gloating. I am heartbroken to see my friends not see this. They also tend to pound hard liquor. Straight scotch. Straight bourbon. One of them was in a wheelchair with MS. Another bald and rattling like a tree. Only one of my old friends said he was way into bio-hacking and health. But drumroll: ice-bathing and low-carb. I really would like to be able to help my friends.

I feel your pain and frustration. I'm only 30, and most of my friends are only in their late 20s or early 30s and I see many of them doing things not conducive of long-term health in my opinion. I think, at the end of the day, it is best to do what we can by gently pushing advice on them that may seem controversial to their perspective, but never to go overboard. Because when the rubber meets the road, they gotta be the ones to want or desire change, we can't do it for them. It can be frustrating, but it's also good to take a step back and realize health can be a quest, or journey. For example I haven't always been where I'm at. I had rough beginnings. I'm all too familiar with that "ice bath low-carb" thing your friend is doing, lol.

Kvothe

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/toxic-bile-apocalypse-sightings-reports.52798/

I wonder when Charlie will gloat about the first person that successfully detoxed their child by killing them. This is absolutely astonishing - "hey, look my child is constantly vomitting and having green diarrhea. Bet none of your kids are detoxing this hard "

ThinPicking

Yea... what the hell.

S.Holmes

@Kvothe This is dreadful. DHS removes children from homes in situations like this.

Regina

@ThinPicking So, what exactly are these CWEBF members puking and pooping?? And it's from taking niacin? Anything else?

@abhi Did you get this resolved? Sorry, I spilled a coke on my laptop and have been offline....

yerrag

@risingfire

It's from the old playbook. Just as the world slowly warms up to Ray Peat's ideas, with notable personalities such Mercola embracing the anti-PUFA message, it's not just coincidence that the bioenergetic community formed around RPF has become divided.

There are no coincidences (quoting Harry Bosch).

@yerrag

I agree for many reasons including contemporary politics, but also I can't find any other explanation for the attempted character assassination of Ray Peat.

yerrag

@C-Mex

He dies. I would dare to say under a cloud of mystery.

And then his name is besmirched by none other than a health forum website that bears his name.

And now a fledgling community has splintered.

Divide and conquer?
Hijacking? Co-opting?
Then watering it down?
Then pushing it further into the fringe never to see mainstream daylight?

Slowly and steadily suffocating the spirit to death.

yerrag

@Peatful

I feel I know Tara well enough. I know how she writes. Her persona became wooden as seen in her writing. Like someone was ghost writing for her online impersonification. Her being a nurse does not necessarily make her automatically indoctrinated into the COVID Hoax narrative.

Once someone who identity is concealed is targeted, it's just a matter of time for the powers that be to replace the real person behind that online persona. What is all this technology developed by DARPA for but to make the safety of anonymity a honeypot to attract leaders of the genuine opposition, only to entrap and eradicate them when the moment is ripe, the moment being when they start to gain a following that is a budding threat to the established order.

Creuset

@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag I'm not sure that a new Charlie is at the helm. Charlie has evolved quite a bit over the years. I saw the biggest change(besides low VA) when he became the "Law and Order Admin." I doubt he would severely change up the forum like he has now unless there was significant financial incentive for him to do so.

I'm not sure if it's traffic to Garrett's site for customers which most likely wouldn't pay that much.

He is the owner of the Lifegivingstore that he has been promoting on the forum for years while never being transparent about it.

Creuset

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Peatful

I feel I know Tara well enough. I know how she writes. Her persona became wooden as seen in her writing. Like someone was ghost writing for her online impersonification. Her being a nurse does not necessarily make her automatically indoctrinated into the COVID Hoax narrative.

Once someone who identity is concealed is targeted, it's just a matter of time for the powers that be to replace the real person behind that online persona. What is all this technology developed by DARPA for but to make the safety of anonymity a honeypot to attract leaders of the genuine opposition, only to entrap and eradicate them when the moment is ripe, the moment being when they start to gain a following that is a budding threat to the established order.

Fear can make even the best of us crazy and stupid.

@yerrag

Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about his mysterious death. Those that expressed suspicion on the RPF were drowned out, a year later 'Charlie' proclaiming he died of 'by his own sword'. How convenient to undermine and discredit when no one can know how many healthy years he may have added to his life or what predispositions he may have had, just like all of us.. And he didn't die young by any stretch, but still very mysterious.

I'm thinking confuse, divide and conquer. My only question is whether the forum was coopted later or was established by design. As we know -- although Peat rarely spoke of it -- he's been of interest to the powers that be since his establishment of Blake College.

Is there any truth to the rumour that his house was broken into and papers ruffled before he was interviewed by the guys filming On the Back of a Tiger? Then the film was never actually completed, just the raw footage released

I remember them joking in the footage that everybody they interviewed before Peat had passed away recently. They were old, yes, older than Peat, but still it was odd. More coincidences, and these ideas clearly threaten government in bed with an industry desperate to maintain authority and control the public "trusted" narrative, and their censorship tactics are now being exposed showing just how desperate they are.

yerrag

@Creuset

Are you saying this because you trust everyone and you leave your house doors and car doors unlocked? Either you live in the boondocks or you are too smart for your own good.

@Kvothe said in New "Mission" of RPF:

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/toxic-bile-apocalypse-sightings-reports.52798/

I wonder when Charlie will gloat about the first person that successfully detoxed their child by killing them. This is absolutely astonishing - "hey, look my child is constantly vomitting and having green diarrhea. Bet none of your kids are detoxing this hard "

I might remember it wrong, but doesn't this Garrett Smith character openly use his children as guinea pigs for his ideologies? I remember a thread on RPF where he or someone else fed his first child large amounts of liver and the child apparently had some health problems. This person then raised his other child on a "low A" diet without milk, eggs etc. Someone posted a picture of that girl. She did not look good if I remember correctly.

abhi

@C-Mex Nope, its still like that And someone mentioned "Lifegivingstore" so i tried access it and got exactly same message as with RPF
Welp!

Peatful

@yerrag
I interacted with her.
Didn’t know her at all.
But vocationally - know a thousand like her.
Was my best read on her.

Did you reach out to the owner (Charlie) or admin (Blossom) or Tara herself when you suspected such things?
If so- what was their response?
If not- why not?

Edit: word

yerrag

@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag

Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about his mysterious death. Those that expressed suspicion on the RPF were drowned out, a year later 'Charlie' proclaiming he died of 'by his own sword'. How convenient to undermine and discredit when no one can know how many healthy years he may have added to his life or what predispositions he may have had, just like all of us.. And he didn't die young by any stretch, but still very mysterious.

I'm thinking confuse, divide and conquer. My only question is whether the forum was coopted later or was established by design. As we know -- although Peat rarely spoke of it -- he's been of interest to the powers that be since his establishment of Blake College.

Is there any truth to the rumour that his house was broken into and papers ruffled before he was interviewed by the guys filming On the Back of a Tiger? Then the film was never actually completed, just the raw footage released

I remember them joking in the footage that everybody they interviewed before Peat had passed away recently. They were old, yes, older than Peat, but still it was odd. More coincidences, and these ideas clearly threaten government in bed with an industry desperate to maintain authority and control the public "trusted" narrative, and their censorship tactics are now being exposed showing just how desperate they are.

Through Ray, many unrecognized or forgotten brilliant minds we came to know. He was able to dig back into the past to dedicated scientists and researchers whom our standard filtered education system had made mere footnotes, and whose ideas were buried under the weight of false history. He resurrected these ideas to our awareness and yet he kept abreast of modern discoveries as well, and thru his newsletters bridged the discoveries from across time. Which is why we who read his works can find some sense and coherence in a field of inquiry, health, and be able to spot the glaring flaws in the approaches of the white-robed priestly class known as conventional doctors.

Though no one has yet developed an alternate medical curriculum that would challenge establishment medicine, I believe that drawing a lot of material from Ray Peat's writings, a fresh approach to health can develop beyond the budding bossom of online health forums and eventually find a firmer foothold in the real world.

But it is something to be feared by the establishment. It is why I believe what we are seeing subtle efforts to nip this movement at the bud, though there is no formal one that exists, but the idea is powerful and one to be feared.

Post-COVID, they have lost a lot of credibility. Yet no "Occupy FDA" movement has emerged. Pieces have to be put together, but already some credible leaders have left in recent years - Gilbert Ling, Mae-Wan-Ho, Ray Peat, Patrick Timpone. Sure, they aren't the rabble-rousers that would be needed to begin upending the established order, but they are a stabilizing presence thst would help steer the ship.

I may be getting ahead here, but I think there is much hope and promise, which is why all manners of roadblocks are appearing.

For sure, there will be those among us here who will say that we're thinking too much.

We have quite a ways to go. Let us not be divided further.

Creuset

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@Creuset

Are you saying this because you trust everyone and you leave your house doors and car doors unlocked? Either you live in the boondocks or you are too smart for your own good.

You seem to be assuming too many stuff and on defense mode man, relax, I was not talking about you but about Tara.

I will make it clearer since you didn't understand: Tara used to be a wise member, but when the covid craze hit, she got into full paranoia mode, probably because she is a nurse and everybody around her got afraid. Fear can be very contagious, and make smart people act stupid, especially for women who are usually more easily scared than men. I still remember perfectly when this pandemic hit, everyone around me was freaking out and completely irrational, so I'm not surprised at all that she would act this way.

Not saying that your hypothesis about her or Charlie are necessarily wrong by the way, even though I don't think the likelihood of this happening is high.