Ray Peat was a Stalinist
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@eric 100%. It is very bizarre and disturbing. Defending ray's legacy is my primary motivation for even engaging in the peatarian community. I have such a deep respect for Ray Peat. He has improved my life so temendously, I owe him a debt of gratitude. It pains me deeply to see his work get so disrespected and tarnished by those trying to hijack it for nefarious aims. It's so spooky and weird, that it can be so distorted to such a degree. It's not hard to imagine it's orchestrated in some sort of cointelpro fashion to destroy his work and potential impact. Not sure, hard to wrap my head around.
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@buckminster I agree. As paranoid as it sounds I think it's pretty easy to do a rough accounting of how much money certain interests would stand to lose if Ray's work was accepted into the mainstream. The pharmaceutical industry alone has a total value of 1.2 trillion dollars. It would certainly be worthwhile to fund a disinfo agent or two.
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On-topic, we may wonder if Alexa has Stalinist tendencies:
Why Stalin is a God | Alexandra Elbakyan
"[..]even if nobody considered Stalin to be a God, he was a real God - in the truest sense of the word, as we can see from the high level of love people had towards him. Someone may disagree by saying: there was a censorship in the Soviet Union, and it was impossible to say anything against Stalin - therefore everyone loved him. However, we must admit: the censorship was done by the people - there must be someone who sends you to prison if you don't love Stalin. Stalin obviously couldn't do this himself, on the contrary, that was done by other people for Stalin, because he was loved very strongly."
Hi, rodent. I hope that you're doing great.
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Ray apparently spoke with many folks or read different works to get a more rounded view. From what i gather, things are not exactly the way they've been presented to us over the years. Stalin was obviously no angel, but Ray is being Ray here imo, he had dug up some underlying info.
Stalin's current western reputation is a bizarre product of the losing faction Trotskyites (part of today's NEO's) and Krushchev revisionism. Sour grapes anyone. He was actually liked by many Americans and other westerners up until the mid to late 1940's.
Domenico Losurdo, critical of many including Stalin, presents the detailed nuances of Soviet Union politics before and during Stalin's time.
Enjoy: Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend, by Domenico Losurdo
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@buckminster You are not being even a tad bit paranoid. It is logical to conclude that Peat's legacy and work is deliberately being diminished.
Did you see this history of Blake College?
https://t3uncoupled.substack.com/p/ray-peat-a-history-of-blake-college?utm_campaign=reaction&utm_medium=email&utm_source=substack&utm_content=post -
It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair
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I would challenge anyone to define Stalinism for me.
If it's just 'supports Stalin' you have to stop using the word if you want to be perceived as even remotely intelligent because that's not what you use an '-ism' for.
Ray was simply not a liberal or a nazi, anyone with a clear mind and a strong metabolism that is politically engaged in his generation defaulted to supporting the Soviet Union, especially at its zenith under Stalin.
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@BioEclectic said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
Stalin's current western reputation is a bizarre product of the losing faction Trotskyites (part of today's NEO's) and Krushchev revisionism. Sour grapes anyone. He was actually liked by many Americans and other westerners up until the mid to late 1940's.
Domenico Losurdo, critical of many including Stalin, presents the detailed nuances of Soviet Union politics before and during Stalin's time.
Enjoy: Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend, by Domenico Losurdo
Exactly!
Some other works:
Ludo Martens, Another view of Stalin
Grover Furr, Khruschev Lied -
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@Norwegian-Mugabe You cannot interfere
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@Norwegian-Mugabe You sound like a trans activist. What do I care what people 'identify with'?
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@CO3 said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
anyone with a clear mind and a strong metabolism that is politically engaged in his generation defaulted to supporting the Soviet Union
Is this the No True Scotsman argument but high CO2?
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@Peatly said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair
(Not an evil grin, honest. Preferably she'd have stuck around until his return and asked him for help with the voices in her head and contempt for her kind. "Um, yea, sugar and thyroid.")
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so no one is going to define Stalinist huh?
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A man who yanks his nation from the precipice of perpetual revolution while simultaneously preparing and saving it from fascist juggernaut(s).
How's that?
Edit: the beginning could be worded a bit differently but i'll leave it that. It's what my mind came up with in 10 seconds haha.
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@ThinPicking said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
@Peatly said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:
It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair
(Not an evil grin, honest. Preferably she'd have stuck around until his return and asked him for help with the voices in her head and contempt for her kind. "Um, yea, sugar and thyroid.")
Do you think she said the Lord’s Prayer as she took her last breath? The very prayer she loathed. I mean, what did she have to lose?
May she RIP (p is for pieces)
Bad joke – now I have to do penance – again!
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@BioEclectic Sounds accurate! But I was looking for a definition of 'Stalinist' by those who love to peddle this word. They won't do it sadly because they can't.
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Great science happens with an open mind. Authoritarianism ruins science. To avoid authoritarianism we must reject personality cults (narcissism). Authoritarian regimes heavily revolve around personality cults, especially Soviet Russia. A more nuanced and balanced approach is required where science itself is up to open debate and investigation.
Both sides of the Cold War were flawed. Lysenko and Lamarcke were outright rejected in the west due to politics and Darwinism. The east rejected genetics due to politics and personality cults. The picture we see is somewhere in the middle whereby we see epigenetic and traits and also genetics.
Here is an excerpt of what happened to scientists who questioned Lysenko in the Soviet Union:
Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned. Several were sentenced to death as enemies of the state, including the botanist Nikolai Vavilov, whose sentence was commuted to prison.[9]
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