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    Ray Peat - quack or genius?

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      TuxedoGondola @impero
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      @impero
      You’re right, based on this post OP made in that thread

      newmexico
      9 minutes ago

      @honest_skeptic Yeah!!!! That's exactly my experience. The ray peat diet got me sent to INTENSIVE CARE and the hospital for a MONTH!! People who follow his work blindly are like sheep, it's unbelievvable

      Just exploring, or sent to ICU? We are wasting time on a troll

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        newmexico @TuxedoGondola
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        @TuxedoGondola Please don't disrespect my experience like that. I didn't want to make this thread about me, so I didnt mention it in the original post... my experience with the "Ray Peat diet" has been absolutely horrible and I documented that in a separate post. If you want to strawman arguments, go to a different forum

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        • FructoseF
          Fructose @newmexico
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          @newmexico Although DHA (omega 3 fatty acid) may be essential at the level of biochemistry and molecular biology, omega 6 acids are absolutely not. The body produces mead acid, an anti-inflammatory substitute for linoleic acid.

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            Kvirion @newmexico
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            @newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:

            @Kvirion High sugar intake has been associated with various health issues, including weight gain, dental problems, and an increased risk of metabolic conditions like diabetes. 🙃 Same goes for high-carb diets. Sorry not sorry!

            Ray never asked for high sugar intake, only for a level adequate for one's need - no more than 400 for an average person IIRC. He also advised to never eat sugar alone but with proteins, etc.

            If the level of your thyroid is optimal and you have proper hygiene, your teeth will be fine regardless of sugar....

            Ray's advice is systemic i.e. one needs to take care of the whole metabolism pathways...

            A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
            Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
            There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
            And drinking largely sobers us again.
            ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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              Fructose @newmexico
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              @newmexico Many things that have "essential" in their names, does that make them essential? Have you read all of Peat's articles?

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                gugenmungus @TuxedoGondola
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                @TuxedoGondola He made a thread about him eating 12 eggs a day and a ton of carrot juice. Idk how that has anything to do with Peat

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                  newmexico @Kvirion
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                  @Kvirion That is pretty level-headed, though I'd say the 400 is arbitrary and would need some sources. That's quite a lot, for sure. Really if you maintain a properly balanced diet, based on mainstream nutritional guidelines you'll be fine. Not sure why people try these fringe fads, always ends horribly, but I do agree with noticing how you feel!

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                    Kvirion @newmexico
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                    @newmexico
                    BTW you may read my article that things like Ray's advice (e.g. sugar) shouldn't be taken out of context...
                    https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/39/ray-approach-as-real-science?_=1706571500032

                    A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                    And drinking largely sobers us again.
                    ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                      newmexico @Kvirion
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                      @Kvirion Your post is intriguing, not sure how to make solid judgments without specific empirical evidence and proper scientific studies. You'd need to run trials, et cetera

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                        Fructose @newmexico
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                        @newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:

                        @Kvirion That is pretty level-headed, though I'd say the 400 is arbitrary and would need some sources. That's quite a lot, for sure. Really if you maintain a properly balanced diet, based on mainstream nutritional guidelines you'll be fine. Not sure why people try these fringe fads, always ends horribly, but I do agree with noticing how you feel!

                        A diet based on the guidelines issued by nutritional and dietary centers in my country led me to Crohn's disease and hormonal imbalance.

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                          newmexico @Fructose
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                          @Fructose that is probably due to a poor diet and genetics/genetic mutation in the family, unfortunately. I was fine when I ate normal NHS-approved food, but when I tried the RPD it destroyed me quite badly (previously mentioned)

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                            Kvirion @Fructose
                            last edited by Kvirion

                            @Fructose Me too...

                            Then I was on keto and IF but had a lot of issues...

                            Ray Peat's advice saved my life probably 🙂
                            Now I feel something like 10-15 years younger and my IBS, brain fog, fatigue, etc. are gone.
                            But I use RP advice in systemic/contextual ways...

                            A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                            Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                            There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                            And drinking largely sobers us again.
                            ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                              Fructose @newmexico
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                              @newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:

                              @Fructose that is probably due to a poor diet and genetics/genetic mutation in the family, unfortunately. I was fine when I ate normal NHS-approved food, but when I tried the RPD it destroyed me quite badly (previously mentioned)

                              You were hospitalized because of your own stupidity. If you only ate lettuce and broccoli, the foods readily recommended by the "best" guidelines, you would also be deficient.

                              I do not have any "genetic mutation", no one in my family has had intestinal problems, as I have examined my family's clinical history. I followed 100% of the good diet recommended by nutritionists. Ultimately, I ended up on immunosuppressants and corticosteroids, which I do not take. Ray Peat saved my life.

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                                Fructose @newmexico
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                                @newmexico said in Ray Peat - quack or genius?:

                                @Fructose that is probably due to a poor diet and genetics/genetic mutation in the family, unfortunately. I was fine when I ate normal NHS-approved food, but when I tried the RPD it destroyed me quite badly (previously mentioned)

                                Me the same. Simply "Perceive, Think, Act".

                                I don't have a typical Peat diet myself, I'm experimenting. I observe my body and its reaction. I am currently on a low-fat liquid diet.

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                                  newmexico @Fructose
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                                  @Fructose When I ate a diet by the best guidelines it actually made me feel great! I was a longdistance runner and got high positions in marathons, even winning some. I eat salads on the regular and was never deficient! I had my bloodwork done by my doc he told me I was in the 94th percentile of men my age!

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                                    chudlord @newmexico
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                                    @newmexico it seems to me like you haven’t read any article of Ray nor have read any of the studies he cited and referenced

                                    “Resuscitating the cloromydorphins to add a pep into your step”

                                    -Rizzenhouse

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                                      paradox
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                                      It's not about the empiricism, it's his methodological philosophy. In that, I believe he was being clear that the uniqueness of an individual must be taken into account instead of relying on aggregate research with questionable controls.

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                                        Kvirion @paradox
                                        last edited by Kvirion

                                        @paradox Well said, Ray was all about the good method and understanding the individual context.

                                        @chudlord Exacly, to understand Ray, one must read most of his articles thoroughly. Moreover, to understand his philosophical approaches based on for example Heraclitus or William Blake 🙂

                                        @newmexico Something for you Youtube Video

                                        A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                        Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                        There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                        And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                        ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                                          toiletking @newmexico
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                                          @newmexico you can try everything he suggested and see for yourself.

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                                            TexugoDoMel
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                                            Just a reminder for those who are interested, since I think this person is joking

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