glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic
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@lobotomize glucose and not sugar?
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@lobotomize said in glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic:
I suddenly become a lot funnier, more dopaminergic, and more playful.
Describe "serotonergic" : Excited / nervous ?
Glycine tempers the excitatory effects of tryptophan and methionine.
In March 2014, New Zealand researchers demonstrated that glycine controls the expression of IGF-1. In other words, glycine allows our growth hormones to be at sufficient levels to promote healing, growth, and longevity, while preventing them from becoming too high and contributing to cancer and degeneration (17).
(17) Guan J, Gluckman P, Yang P, Krissansen G, Sun X, Zhou Y, Wen J, Phillips G, Shorten PR, McMahon CD, Wake GC, Chan WH, Thomas MF, Ren A, Moon S, Liu DX. Cyclic glycine-proline regulates IGF-1 homeostasis by altering the binding of IGFBP-3 to IGF-1. Sci Rep. 2014 Mar 17;4:4388.From RP
As the precursor to the inflammatory mediators, serotonin and melatonin, tryptophan’s over-consumption in the form of organ or muscle meats/whey protein/egg whites or as a supplement can be dangerous particularly during times of stress.
NB (LucH): This is indeed an excess of tryptophan, which is counterproductive and harmful to mitochondrial respiration. It is harmful in excess because it is a precursor to serotonin.
Serotonin excess produces a broad range of harmful effects: Cancer, inflammation, fibrosis, neurological damage, shock, bronchoconstriction, and hypertension, for example.”
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2010/12/11/trytophan-sleep-and-depression/“Serotonin acts to inhibit mitochondrial metabolism and decreases energy flow.” Ray PEAT PhD.
https://pranarupa.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/serotonin-inflammation-depression-mitochondria-energy-and-mad-love-2/ -
@lobotomize thiamine deficiency, the discovery of beriberi was the result of japanese people eating white rice (with the bran removed) which caused deficiencies so severe that they got beriberi. If you consume sugar and experience negative effects it just sounds like you arent balancing it with ENOUIGH thiamine and/or thyroid hormone
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@lobotomize said in glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic:
So I realized that after five months on this diet of milk mixed with glucose and some other ingredients, whenever I go without milk or glucose for a while, I suddenly become a lot funnier, more dopaminergic, and more playful.
I thought Peat said the calcium in milk negates the downsides of large tryptophan intake. Does anyone know how I can prevent the serotonergic rise?
Drinking milk+sugar can be peak serotonin, milk or part of milks perhaps not all, are pro lying down, processing it, and make sound, movement and light feel mid or bad, can also make you more sensitive to EMF, EMF sensitivity and exposure+Milk+sugar= unholy depression
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@sunsunsun why take sugar when the fructose is rate limited by transporters . its breakdown into glucose and fructose is regulated by a enzyme if your body produces less of this enzyme then you eat then you get nasty bacterial fermentation
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@LucH said in glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic:
Describe "serotonergic" : Excited / nervous ?
introverted, less witty, anxious, on edge, no novelty seeking
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@beriberi I’ve been supplementing thiamine for a while now. I used to take a heaped teaspoon per day, but I’ve since lowered the dose to 100–500 mg.
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@lobotomize thiamine HCL does nothing if you have genetically slow thiamine transporters, also thiamine HCL is 3% bioavailable and thiamine supplements also do nothing if you are hypothyroid
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@lobotomize Try more Choline, Potassium, Magnesium, Zinc, A, D3, TTFD/Benfotiamine, B2, B5, Methyl folate, Methyl B12 and TMG if you can tolerate methyl donors, Creatine to spare methyl groups and potentially 2-4 grains of thyroid hormone
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if you take thyroid hormone you also are going to have to eat liver or supplement vitamin A, because your thyroid hormone status determines your vitamin A requirements, and speaking from experience i can take hundreds of milligrams of TTFD or Benfotiamine whilst hypothyroid and it'll do nothing except prevent severe deficiency symptoms. to enter oxidative metabolism and actually properly utilize nutrients you need thiamine thyroid hormone and additional nutritional cofactors in sufficient amounts to process carbohydrates fats and proteins efficiently, otherwise you are wasting calories due to being in lower forms of metabolism
it should not be calories in vs calories out but calories potentialized vs calories actualized
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@lobotomize said in glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic:
So I realized that after five months on this diet of milk mixed with glucose and some other ingredients, whenever I go without milk or glucose for a while, I suddenly become a lot funnier, more dopaminergic, and more playful.
I thought Peat said the calcium in milk negates the downsides of large tryptophan intake. Does anyone know how I can prevent the serotonergic rise?
I suggest try milk on its own, no added carbs, potentially try whole milk and raw milk, and if you still feel the same, either try to other foods maxing in case you are running low on certains nutrients and the milk might contribute, or dont drink milk at all
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Have you tried adding calcium carbonate to other components of your meal? I am thinking about Haidut's Bulgarian burger.
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@beriberi i take t3 and i believe thiamine hcl passes the membrane through passive diffusion aswell so if you are deficient and take 500 you get 250 as the b1 stabilizes on both sides
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@beriberi milk has potassium i drop 30 ml mgcl on myself almost every day, i restarted taken zinc recently after taking probably too much liver , d3 i take 5k every 2 days , i take thiamine hcl reffer to my reasoning on my other reply, i stopped taking b2 as it caused me diahria from bile acid getting deconjugated plus my exam scores when taking it were suprisingly low i am yet to investigate if the problem was something else , b5 is abundent in milk , i may try methyl fol. i take creatine and thyroid
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@user2 i constantly get hungry if i dont add carbs to it. plus milks has too much liquid be a solo carb source
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@lobotomize said in glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic:
@user2 i constantly get hungry if i dont add carbs to it. plus milks has too much liquid be a solo carb source
Do you drink it warm or cold? Do you lie down or do stuffs after you drink milk? No, milk doesnt have to much liquid at all to be a solo carb source Milk+sugar/honey/starch can be terrible, adding these carbs to it can just exacerbate defiencies.
everything i told above about milk is relevant, i suggest experiment with that
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@lobotomize how much thyroid
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@lobotomize this doesn’t happen in my experience, either way your thyroid status determines how you respond to minerals and vitamins. Thyroid hormone replacement is the equivalent of 96mcgs of t3 produced every day from t4-t3 conversion and t3 production
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feels like shit from eating carbs
hungry if he doesn’t eat more carbsThis is literally just malnutrition
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@lobotomize said in glucose milk causing me to be serotonergic:
So I realized that after five months on this diet of milk mixed with glucose and some other ingredients, whenever I go without milk or glucose for a while, I suddenly become a lot funnier, more dopaminergic, and more playful.
I thought Peat said the calcium in milk negates the downsides of large tryptophan intake. Does anyone know how I can prevent the serotonergic rise?
@lobotomize said in Lobotomize-me athletic logs:
lowering fat intake has been a game changer for me. drank 8 liters of 1.5% milk a day -> bananas and 0.1% fat milk a day liver once a week and some supplements. started finally losing weight hopefully it was the change i needed to finally become lean
Just seen this, this is troll diet medium long term, no meat, bananas is a B+ tier fruit at best even ripe, skimmed milk has worst effects than whole or raw milk in my experience, most beef liver are toxic, can worsen your digestion and dont necessary have the benefits you can get from eating meat. do you eat any salt?
