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    Haidut is poisoning our balls with dogshit solvents?! these solvents instead mog? find out in the next episode of dragonball Z

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      sphagnum @sunsunsun
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      @sunsunsun
      Thorough assessment on both.
      I do also like that Idealabs offers different solvent options on some products which is a step above. I just wish they would offer a glass bottle option as the difference in packing price and shipping cost would be pocket change. If they charged the honest cost difference, I’d be more than happy to jump on that.

      Where’d you source cypro? The idealabs one did nothing for me, even if I went heavier than recommended. I started off super worried about oversleeping or being sluggish the next day, but I never even got baseline “well rested,” even when going heavy.

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        sunsunsun @sphagnum
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        @sphagnum I get the JAMP cypro from biosense in in BC Canada, its $130 CAD for 100 x 4mg tablets which is the normal price to buy it from a pharmacy in Canada. I asked them and they said they will ship internationally for anyone that wants it. If you want to try Indian pharmaceuticals it is available for basically pennies on the dollar but I've never verified quality. I usually buy name brand medications from domestic manufacturers when I can unless I see proof that the generic product is as good. name brand stuff is really expensive in comparison though.

        actually post like yours is why I didn't bother with idealabs cypro, someone on rpf also said the same thing, that it didn't do anything. meanwhile a quarter of the tablet (1mg) that I take has distinct effects. maybe the idealabs cypro is fine but I just dont bother risking it. once I got wuflu really bad and I sure was glad I had a bottle of Pharma cypro tablets because I was taking like 6 to 8 a day to help and it was a big help.

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          alfredoolivas @sunsunsun
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          @sunsunsun That is actually a mega find sushi. Pharma legit Cypro from Canada shipped internationally. Very commendable effort my noble sir.

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            alfredoolivas @alfredoolivas
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            for those interested: https://www.biosenseclinic.com/products/jamp-cyproheptadine?_pos=1&_psq=cypro&_ss=e&_v=1.0

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              engineer
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              another reason to hate the idealabs ethanol/SFA solvent is just how easily it fails at being a solvent, my 6 keto p4 bottle is filled with seemingly invincible crystals, while my tocopherol/MCT version isn't

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                sunsunsun @alfredoolivas
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                @alfredoolivas np

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                  hwisdom @sphagnum
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                  @sphagnum doesnt this solution have penetration issues?

                  MILF
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                    engineer
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                    so what is the consensus here? Haidut has said that the Idealabs plastic bottles specifically are resistant to ethanol (probably HDPE?) but it's not clear what the harmful skin effects would be.

                    Thread with more info https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/raising-serum-androgens-using-dhea-pregnenolone-and-vitamin-k.13505/

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                      alfredoolivas @engineer
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                      @engineer Yeah he said it's HDPE.

                      HDPE is insoluble in ethanol, and has a molecular weight usually in the hundreds of thousands - you can't asborb it trandsermally, or even orally.

                      Even if the polymer broke down (maybe if you boil your bottle for a day), then the HDPE would break down into ethylene. Ethylene might have some endocrine effects (ethylene oxide does, but I haven't researched ethylene), but its a simple hydrocarbon that your body would get rid of very rapidly.

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                        risingfire @hwisdom
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                        @hwisdom why wouldn't you just put androsterone on your balls? Preg doesn't directly hit the backdoor pathway

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                          hwisdom @risingfire
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                          @risingfire im trying to stay natty for very mysterious reasons, and androsterone according to peat could mess with pituitary signaling in Le harmfull way, and pregnenolone is literally The backdoor molecule when it decides to go through 5ar and CYP17a1 and in a way I think it will boost the endogenous function not to mention produce the exact balanced amounts so that you dont get too much AlloP without DHT ykwim

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                            engineer @hwisdom
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                            @hwisdom why not add DHT like 11-keto from plain old Idealabs to offset the androsterone?

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                              hwisdom @engineer
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                              @engineer how would DHT offset androsterone also I'm tryna stay natty read my post again nigga

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                                engineer @hwisdom
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                                @hwisdom "so that you dont get too much AlloP without DHT ykwim"

                                too much AlloP without DHT implies you could have more DHT and be fine

                                DHT is natty because it's a Peaty way to achieve bioenergetics

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                                  hwisdom @engineer
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                                  @engineer sry by natty I meant "not banned by WADA"

                                  MILF
                                  man I love fasting

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                                    engineer @hwisdom
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                                    @hwisdom let me put it this way: the establishment wants you to have a low metabolism. If WADA doesn't want to play by the Peaty rules then that's on them

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                                      risingfire @hwisdom
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                                      @hwisdom preg is not the backdoor pathway. You need to read up. Why do you need to stay natty

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                                        hwisdom @risingfire
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                                        @risingfire I kinda did read up about it bro pregnenolone does convert through cyp17a1 and 5ar into straight androsterone and dht skipping aromatize:able test entirely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_backdoor_pathway

                                        but yea I need to stay natty for very mysterious reasons, yes WADA are bitches, but I kinda have to play by the rules heres and its not changing anytime soon

                                        MILF
                                        man I love fasting

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                                          risingfire @hwisdom
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                                          @hwisdom you're skipping a bunch of steps. It doesn't work that way

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                                            hwisdom @risingfire
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                                            @risingfire well tell me how it works instead of vagueposting53626b7c-4fa2-40d8-9a74-3080c8cdd3f2-image.png

                                            MILF
                                            man I love fasting

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