Grant Genereux admits he "didn't do a whole lot a research" for his anti-vitamin A books
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@Peatly Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he take fish oil (PUFA ) without any vitamin A listed on the label, and this is the only supplement that he was taking during his health downfall? I.e., he wasn't taking vitamin A?
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A lot of the correlations he makes in the book with vitamin A is all predicated upon the point of fish oil containing high amounts of it. I read the book and made several notes at points where he makes correlations between fish oil and disease. Of course the problem with fish oil is probably gonna be the PUFA and not the vitamin A but he doesn't seem to consider any of that. He also makes the assertion that cold water fish seems to be worse and must somehow have a higher retinol content, Face palm. Cold water fish have more PUFA, Ray has spoken of this countless times.
"""Other countries with high rates of fish consumption, but specifically from cold waters, also have high rates of eczema and Alzheimer’s, and I have no doubt Crohn’s/IBD, too. Sweden, Denmark, Iceland and Finland definitely do. Here’s a world map showing vitaminA deficiency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_A_deficiency """(Pg 218)
Could be easily attributed to the PUFA content of these fish and it would make more sense since there is a higher content of PUFA in these fish than vitamin A when we compare it to other animal protein rich foods.
"""he colder waters require fish to have higher oil content, and probably a higher level of vitamin A.""" (PG 222)
Key word, probably. But they most definitely have a higher oil content (PUFA).
There are many more examples of correlation not even making much sense like when he speaks of the fortification of food in the 1970's yet I doubt the fortification of food increased people's daily VA compared to before. A lot of stuff happened in the 1970's with our food including the introduction of seed oils.This is really his main argument the (whole fish oil thing), the rest of the 'science' in the book is just poorly researched made up stuff that he speculates on, no integrated picture of it all like Peat although he seems like a nice enough guy.
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@bonobobookends Yes, like Peat said no facts
From the book - page 354
2002-2004
My wife bought flavored fish oil supplements, thinking it was good for us. The package’s label says it’s Omega-3 from fish sources. It didn’t list any vitamin A content whatsoever.
Supplement with this daily, ~5 days per week for several years. -
I like his personality and his renegade experimentation approach. We desperately need that again. Today, people believe the only source of truth are universities and other large reasearch fascilities, where an army of lab workers, called scientists, are doing "research" with expensive machinery producing papers desperately trying to confirm the most recent, narrow minded trend which is supposed to be pushed. Thank god they are continuously losing credibility for many years now.
That being said, I agree with the rest in this thread in that I am not convinced by his vitamin A theory. -
@Atman Science and the inquiry into how things work is how we know anything at all about the human body today. Leonardo da Vinci risked being executed by the Church in the name of scientific inquiry when he conducted autopsies on humans. Sure, you could make a very good argument for agenda based "science" nowdays, but that's not really science at all. Ray Peat was a scientist. So was Hans Selye, Gilbert Ling, Fred Kummerow, Szent-Gyorgyi, Linus Pauling and many of the other amazing figures in biology and biochemistry. We should be steadfast in our support for real science. I think when we choose to ignore science, it's what leads us down a road of fringe beliefs. It's what leads people to take health recommendations from an engineer who in his own words "didn't do a whole lot of research" when writing his "magnum opus" lol.
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This isn't really a "gotcha" moment you may think it is
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I'm not seeing any indication anyone considers this a "gotcha" any more than they consider it a grumbling annoyance to you.
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@Mulloch94
I am not disregarding science in general, just the current state of what we call "scientists". I expect the next breakthrough to be much more likely to come from someone like Grant, who is not an official scientist, than from the average university phd lab worker. The fact that it was a miss in the case of Grant doesn't matter for me. His general attitude of not caring about established beliefs and making new wild hypothesis and experiments is the way to go. -
@Atman That's because that phd lab worker is dependent on funding. I think most people who get into that type of work will tell you their true intentions got perverted somewhere along the way. And if they didn't, then they probably never got widely recognized. The deeper you travel down the scientific rabbit-hole the more you see science is an afterthought really.
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I think even Ray said something about science peaking in the mid 20th century, and has been declining ever since. Or maybe it was someone else who said that, but I think it was Ray. Regardless who it was, they were basically correct.
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@Mulloch94 said in Grant Genereux admits he "didn't do a whole lot a research" for his anti-vitamin A books:
I think most people who get into that type of work will tell you their true intentions got perverted somewhere along the way.
Yeah, I have just recently watched a compelling video about a story like that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKiBlGDfRU8
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Audio of Ray Peat laughing because he "looked through it (Grant's books) and couldn't find any facts at all." (The Herb Doctor's show):
https://www.bioenergetic.life/clips/f9688?t=2468&c=57Thanks to peatly for the quote so I could find the audio.
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@Jaffe said in Grant Genereux admits he "didn't do a whole lot a research" for his anti-vitamin A books:
This isn't really a "gotcha" moment you may think it is
I pulled the post to double check the exchange because I didn't know why he would want to say that but it would be great if someone wants to clarify what he meant. I already listened more than once and I think he was just being candid.
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