Grant Genereux admits he "didn't do a whole lot a research" for his anti-vitamin A books

Peatly

@bonobobookends Yes, like Peat said no facts

From the book - page 354

2002-2004
 My wife bought flavored fish oil supplements, thinking it was good for us. The package’s label says it’s Omega-3 from fish sources. It didn’t list any vitamin A content whatsoever.
 Supplement with this daily, ~5 days per week for several years.

Atman

I like his personality and his renegade experimentation approach. We desperately need that again. Today, people believe the only source of truth are universities and other large reasearch fascilities, where an army of lab workers, called scientists, are doing "research" with expensive machinery producing papers desperately trying to confirm the most recent, narrow minded trend which is supposed to be pushed. Thank god they are continuously losing credibility for many years now.
That being said, I agree with the rest in this thread in that I am not convinced by his vitamin A theory.

Mulloch94

@Atman Science and the inquiry into how things work is how we know anything at all about the human body today. Leonardo da Vinci risked being executed by the Church in the name of scientific inquiry when he conducted autopsies on humans. Sure, you could make a very good argument for agenda based "science" nowdays, but that's not really science at all. Ray Peat was a scientist. So was Hans Selye, Gilbert Ling, Fred Kummerow, Szent-Gyorgyi, Linus Pauling and many of the other amazing figures in biology and biochemistry. We should be steadfast in our support for real science. I think when we choose to ignore science, it's what leads us down a road of fringe beliefs. It's what leads people to take health recommendations from an engineer who in his own words "didn't do a whole lot of research" when writing his "magnum opus" lol.

Regina

@Insomniac

Jaffe

This isn't really a "gotcha" moment you may think it is

bot-mod

@Jaffe

I'm not seeing any indication anyone considers this a "gotcha" any more than they consider it a grumbling annoyance to you.

Atman

@Mulloch94
I am not disregarding science in general, just the current state of what we call "scientists". I expect the next breakthrough to be much more likely to come from someone like Grant, who is not an official scientist, than from the average university phd lab worker. The fact that it was a miss in the case of Grant doesn't matter for me. His general attitude of not caring about established beliefs and making new wild hypothesis and experiments is the way to go.

Mulloch94

@Atman That's because that phd lab worker is dependent on funding. I think most people who get into that type of work will tell you their true intentions got perverted somewhere along the way. And if they didn't, then they probably never got widely recognized. The deeper you travel down the scientific rabbit-hole the more you see science is an afterthought really.

Mulloch94

I think even Ray said something about science peaking in the mid 20th century, and has been declining ever since. Or maybe it was someone else who said that, but I think it was Ray. Regardless who it was, they were basically correct.

Kvirion

@Mulloch94 said in Grant Genereux admits he "didn't do a whole lot a research" for his anti-vitamin A books:

I think most people who get into that type of work will tell you their true intentions got perverted somewhere along the way.

Yeah, I have just recently watched a compelling video about a story like that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKiBlGDfRU8

Insomniac

Audio of Ray Peat laughing because he "looked through it (Grant's books) and couldn't find any facts at all." (The Herb Doctor's show):
https://www.bioenergetic.life/clips/f9688?t=2468&c=57

Thanks to peatly for the quote so I could find the audio.

Insomniac

@Jaffe said in Grant Genereux admits he "didn't do a whole lot a research" for his anti-vitamin A books:

This isn't really a "gotcha" moment you may think it is

I pulled the post to double check the exchange because I didn't know why he would want to say that but it would be great if someone wants to clarify what he meant. I already listened more than once and I think he was just being candid.