PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS
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@brightside I had very good experience with Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co. You can check their thread on ThinkSteroids with latest review etc. They had good amount of raws in ther portfolio.
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@milkgains_bro Im actually thinking from ordering from QSC, yeah for the most part they seem trustworthy based on the mesorx thread. Their prices are good too. They also have most of their stuff tested at Janoshik but if i buy from them ill have it tested again probably.
Are you in the EU by any chance? I wouldnt want 100$+ of dht to get seized lol -
I've never had a problem with PPL's raws. But I've only ever ordered T and DHT from them, so it's hard to say how legit they are when you only get the easy stuff. Something like Oxandrolone, which is very hard to get authentic, would be interesting to see in a test from them.
As a disclaimer I would like to state I haven't ordered from them in a long time. So the company may have went downhill since then. I'll say this, if you fuck up raw T suspension I'm not sure you can be trusted with anything else.
QSC seems to be a good stop for raws. I get most of my "pharma" from DashPCT though, very reliable for non-steroid stuff imo. They don't sell raws, I think proviron is all they got.
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alphagels has top notch DHT, but it's in DMSO (which I don't like anymore).
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@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
Anyone who's used DHT base before knows that it dissolves up to 50mg/ml max.
@Mulloch94 said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
alphagels has top notch DHT
Interesting cause Alphagels claims:
"We have transdermal DHT gel available in two strengths:
10% DHT (100mg/ml)
20% DHT (200mg/ml)"Or are there different ways DHT can be dissolved?
Also will taking DHT stop natural testosterone production? Can you point me to the best info I can read up on this? -
@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
I recently tested my T order and turns out it's actually T Propionate..
Did they have the right number on the package? I'm wondering if they just got the order wrong / mixed up, or if they actually tried to pass off one substance for the other.
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@milkgains_bro said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@brightside I had very good experience with Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co. You can check their thread on ThinkSteroids with latest review etc. They had good amount of raws in ther portfolio.
Sweet, thanks for the comment. I'll def use them when I buy more raws
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@Mulloch94 How would you compare DashPCT vs places like farmacias del nino and alldaychemist?
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@Kilgore said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
Anyone who's used DHT base before knows that it dissolves up to 50mg/ml max.
@Mulloch94 said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
alphagels has top notch DHT
Interesting cause Alphagels claims:
"We have transdermal DHT gel available in two strengths:
10% DHT (100mg/ml)
20% DHT (200mg/ml)"Or are there different ways DHT can be dissolved?
Also will taking DHT stop natural testosterone production? Can you point me to the best info I can read up on this?Yeah, that's BS.
Either that, or they are using esterified DHT which has a much better solubility.
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@Kilgore Yeah, they tried to pass it off as a different substance.
Test Base is #37, and Test prop is #1. I got a bag of #37...
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@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@Kilgore Yeah, they tried to pass it off as a different substance.
Test Base is #37, and Test prop is #1. I got a bag of #37...
Not sure if this reply is to me but I dont really understand exactly what you mean here.
Either that, or they are using esterified DHT which has a much better solubility.
I will ask them about this actually.
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@Kilgore said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@Kilgore Yeah, they tried to pass it off as a different substance.
Test Base is #37, and Test prop is #1. I got a bag of #37...
Not sure if this reply is to me but I dont really understand exactly what you mean here.
Either that, or they are using esterified DHT which has a much better solubility.
I will ask them about this actually.
Oh, oops, that wasn’t to you.
But I’m saying that they label their products with a number instead of an actual label with words.
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@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@Mulloch94 How would you compare DashPCT vs places like farmacias del nino and alldaychemist?
For me the shipping was actually faster, I ordered from their international list too, so it's not like it was shipped close to home. I've ordered naltrexone, doxycycline, mirtazapine, and selegiline from them. They were all legit I think. I didn't personally test them but they all elicited the effects I expected.
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Oh their Cialis was good too, but last time I tried to get some they didn't have the 2.5mg tabs, which is what I prefer.
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@Kilgore said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
@brightside said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
Anyone who's used DHT base before knows that it dissolves up to 50mg/ml max.
@Mulloch94 said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
alphagels has top notch DHT
Interesting cause Alphagels claims:
"We have transdermal DHT gel available in two strengths:
10% DHT (100mg/ml)
20% DHT (200mg/ml)"Or are there different ways DHT can be dissolved?
Also will taking DHT stop natural testosterone production? Can you point me to the best info I can read up on this?I wouldn't advise ordering from them right now anyways. Bitcoin prices right now are fucking crazy. I'm to the point where I'm tired of fucking with it honestly. Monero is better in every single way imaginable anyways. I do think bitcoin's price has fallen in the last week, which is good, but the transaction fees are very unpredictable ever since it's big jump from 40,000 to 70,000
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@Mulloch94 I will ask/learn more about this much more before doing anything. I dont think bitcoin price matters or anything. (I have none). But I assume I could just pay by uploading money to coinbase -> buy bitcoin -> send bitcoin to their wallet?
Also:
Also will taking DHT stop natural testosterone production? Can you point me to the best info I can read up on this?
Thanks as always!
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@Kilgore Oh yeah I forgot about the transaction prices crap I remember now! Nevermind
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@Kilgore said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
I will ask/learn more about this much more before doing anything. I dont think bitcoin price matters or anything. (I have none). But I assume I could just pay by uploading money to coinbase -> buy bitcoin -> send bitcoin to their wallet?
Yeah, actually using and paying with bitcoin is a relatively straightforward process. I'm just sick of the transaction fees bouncing up and down. I think right now it's a little under 9 dollars, but a week or two ago it was over 100. Meaning if I purchased something costing 300 dollars I actually have to pay 400. So you can't always use bitcoin at your convenience. You gotta pick and choose when the market is actually viable...unless you like paying exorbitant fees.
As for Coinbase you could probably use that method, but they're definitely KYC. So your coin won't be anonymous. I don't think it would actually matter for something like that, but who knows. Alphagels mask their products as "beard oil" on payment and shipping, so it's not like they make it obvious. The issue is more in terms of bitcoin's public blockchain. If Alphagels ever gets busted, your BTC address at Coinbase could directly be linked to the address Alphagels used. This is why centralized market exchanges suck ass, at least for anonymity and discreetly purchasing things. And in more general terms, why Bitcoin is less reliable than privacy coin like Monero (XMR's blockchain is completely decentralized).
You can still make bitcoin anonymous, just don't use custodial wallets. Something like Electrum or Wasabi would be best. That way no one controls your wallet except you. And then you gotta actually get the bitcoin. But instead of buying it directly, I recommend buying Monero with cash and just using atomic swaps back into bitcoin whenever you need to use BTC, that way you have perfectly anonymous coin whenever it's needed.
Having said all of this, if you wanted to use the simplest route of signing up with Coinbase, that will most likely work. I would just keep the wallet empty until you're ready to make a purchase. That way you don't have thousands of dollars of BTC in Coinbase if they decide to freeze your account. I've read horror stories about that happening.
On to more important things...
@Kilgore said in PSA TO ALL PPL/DO (PurplePandaLabs/DragonOrdnance) SHOPPERS:
Also will taking DHT stop natural testosterone production? Can you point me to the best info I can read up on this?
DHT will cause shutdown but it's not as severe as testosterone. It'd doesn't convert to estrogen (the most potent suppressor) and it doesn't really act on the pituitary at all. It's main mechanism is on the hypothalamus suppressing GnRH.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6106650/
"The effect of dihydrotestosterone [17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstone-3-one (DHT) in the negative regulation of LH was studied throughout 3 months of percutaneous administration of this steroid to six normal male volunteers and six patients with primary testicular hypogonadism. In addition, testosterone (T) was administered according to the same protocol to the six hypogonadal patients. Plasma T, DHT, estradiol, sex hormone-binding globulin, and LH levels were measured by RIA before and weekly during treatment. In normal men, plasma DHT rose regularly from 0.5 +/- 0.2 to 3.3 +/- 0.9 ng/ml after 3 months of treatment. Concurrently, T decreased from 5.5 +/- 2.0 to 2.9 +/- 0.3 ng/ml, and sex hormone-binding globulin levels decreased from 1.2 +/- 0.1 to 0.9 +/- 0.05 mg/liter. Mean basal LH levels remained stable between 1.9 +/- 1.3 and 3.1 +/- 1.1 mIU MRC, LH 68/40 per ml throughout treatment. In hypogonadal men after DHT treatment, basal LH levels were not suppressed. In contrast, after T administration, plasma LH decreased from 19.8 +/- 5.4 mIU/ml to normal levels (3.4 +/- 2.7 mIU/ml). From these studies, we conclude that 1) high levels of plasma DHT, maintained over a long period, were unable to lower plasma LH in either normal or hypogonadal patients, and 2) in contrast, during the same length of time, high levels of plasma T were perfectly capable of achieving feedback regulation of LH secretion. From these data, it seems unlikely that circulating DHT plays an important role in the physiological regulation of LH secretion."
I've seen studies showing up to 100mg of proviron for several months didn't fully suppress testosterone levels. So as long as you're using small dosages, like 50mg or under, you'll probably experience very little if any at all. Even up to 100mgs is probably fine, and you'd bounce back quickly if there was suppression. I suppose a mild 5-ar inhibitor would prevent that negative feedback from occurring, but I don't think it's worth the risk. Just my opinion.
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Unless you actually have a deficiency of DHT I don't really see the point of taking it. I bought some thinking it would be amazing but after really understanding just how useless high DHT is, I felt a bit disappointed. It's a calming, sedating hormone. Just pop a Benadryl if you want that feeling. Plus it's highly anti-estrogenic and if it's out of balance with T then it's probably anti-androgenic in a way also. Read the posts about DHT from people like TheBeard, etc. on the old forum. The consensus seemed to be that it wasn't helpful.
If you have T powder you can just take that orally and much of it will convert to DHT.
If you have low DHT (and the symptoms of low DHT) then maybe it would be helpful.
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I've had impeccable experience with Purple Panda Labs.
