Race and IQ
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Wait, you literally don't realize racist genetics is incompatible with peat's work? Have you read the work of Dr. Peat? Did you find your way here from memes? I shouldn't have to explain it to you. Read 'Mind and Tissue' and 'Adaptive substance, creative regeneration: Mainstream science, repression, and creativity'
"People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope." RP
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@buckminster I've read plenty of his work. I've read his takes on IQ. His work is compatible with the claim that race is a real and valid concept.
Please, explain to me why this is not the case so I can better understand his work.
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@Sugar There is no doubt that blacks and their brown variants from the desert or aboriginals in the human race are the closest to the putrid vegetal kingdom and the scourge of existential scarcity, they are the furthest from the sucrose metabolism, the ugly dark pigmentation is a adaptation to chronic energy shortage, it serves to obtain ATP from the sun, their aberrant facial proportions such as mouth and nose are a symptom of their low metaphysical stratum, they are condemned to never perceive what is beautiful, holy and of good taste, there are exceptions of course, well-nourished blacks, developed under white logic, Clarence Thomas the best example
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@buckminster supposing this is true, it would be incredibly ironic if a large part of RP's following nowadays just so happened to be the 'nazis' he dedicated his life to disproving, no? lmao
yui
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@PUFA-Groyper Peat even knew before he died he had a lot of hype in the right wing community. Hardly see any leftist peaters and the old forum was full of maga christian boomers and or schizos. I don't think peat cared all too much.
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@FTMarinetti Hold up now. We don't want 1 billion peaty africans to come knocking at Europes borders. Better keep them at 70 IQ, hopefully incapable of using a map and compass
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@Sugar You 'believe'? Then quote him on it, otherwise don't mention it. Can we have some basic level of respect for the man?
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Everything is environmental including the genes. Still, there is a limit to how much change can happen in a single generation. Anyone who does not recognize the racial differences in beauty and intelligence is simply stupid.
The validation of IQ is interesting. People says that IQ measures intelligence as people with higher IQ are more likely to get certain outcomes that the bourgeoisie values. Yet, people with extraordinary high IQ gets generally worse outcomes than people with moderately high IQ. If IQ is a valid test of intelligence because higher IQ leads to better outcomes in certain areas, shouldn't the correlation trend be perpetually positive? Are most of the people with 150 IQ dumber than the median person with 135 IQ?
Put yourself on fire for peak energy metabolism.
Ignore, judge, overcommit.
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read the title as Race and QI and tbh that seems like a much more interesting conversation
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@PeatyXoogster I think they taste as disgusting as they look. Considering they're low metabolic low IQ people with diet consisting only of fried chicken (PUFAs), corn starch and watermelon (NO), it's definitely an un-peaty food.
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African tribes like the hasda and massai eat pretty peaty and have incredible health. We can look at the worst examples of modern food consumed by white people and see anti-metabolic disasters. Industrial seed oil consumption was invented by white people.
Besides watermelon is peaty.
"Orange juice, guavas, watermelons, cherimoyas, cooked apples, cherries, and ripe papayas are good sources of sugar to have regularly." RPAnd corn flour (masa harina) in moderation.
"People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope." RP
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@buckminster said in Race and IQ:
African tribes like the hasda and massai eat pretty peaty and have incredible health. We can look at the worst examples of modern food consumed by white people and see anti-metabolic disasters. Industrial seed oil consumption was invented by white people.
I fail to see your point
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CALLER: What I’ve been seeing, at least on the level of the popular media and the way the idea of genetics is presented, is a kind of genetic determinism, in which the public at large is being led to believe that a gene is sort of individual, almost like an organism itself, the selfish gene and all that sort of thing, which then is responsible for a specific quality or characteristic appearing. And as far as I know, no one has ever proved that genes do anything except organize the synthesis of protein.
RAY PEAT: Yeah. I have – because I guess I have been interested in the subject for more than 50 years, and so I’ve noticed the things going on and tried to find out where they came from. The – in some of my newsletters, I’ll be talking about related issues, but the motivation for a lot of these ideas, around 1910 to 1920, were to stop immigration of Eastern Europeans and Southern Europeans to the United States. So they created IQ tests and showed that Russians and Jews and the various people that they didn’t want to immigrate that 85% of them were feeble minded, naturally they gave the tests in English. But these tests were very explicitly designed for racist exclusionary purposes. And many of these people have persisted in universities, the Bell Curve, for example, a real idiot at Harvard was one of the last hangers on. And these people had great success in getting published in science, the leading American science magazine. When I sent a tiny letter criticizing one of these genetic determination of intelligence, I think it was an 8 or 10 page article, I sent about a two-sentence letter. They sent me pages of anonymous referees, one of them – the only evidence that was cited for not publishing my little letter critical of the conclusions – I just said that conclusions have nothing what so ever to do with the text of the article. These cases of anonymous referees rejecting my comment. The only data cited was from Hitler’s racial hygiene [inaudible]got me interested in studying what was going on there And I saw that by studying that period, I saw that Konrad Lorenz was the architect of the racial hygiene, but he created the rationale based on American IQ racism. He created the rationale for exterminating inferior people. Konrad Lorenz was a Nazi. I think it was his last book. He repeated exactly the arguments of his 1942 and the founding papers of genocide. He repeated the exact arguments except he replaced exterminate with some slightly mild translation, but he never repented from this idea of eliminating genetic inferiority and…
"People need to start understanding that the system is systematically murdering them, and understanding that the situation is desperate, they need to see that solidarity with life, against capital, is their hope." RP
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@buckminster Thank you for the context.
Ray Peat is simply wrong in his interpretation. I am not so much concerned about the origin or purpose of the original IQ tests, because its a century later and the accuracy of them has improved significantly. We know that modern IQ tests do not have any "embedded cultural\ethnic discriminatory content" (as anti-IQ proponents like to claim), e.g. there is no "cultural bias"in a logic puzzle or a question that involves 3D spacial reasoning.
I think it would do you good to actually read some of the literature on Racial Science to understand it fully (if you would like some resources I would be more than happy to supply some), rather than just citing a couple quotes from Ray Peat and calling it a day. He is not right about everything. I know that because I have interacted with the literature in this field for quite a long time, and I am very comfortable with the content and its conclusions.
I feel as if you and Ray Peat are attacking this not from a pure scientific reasoning standpoint, but rather first taking the moral "anti-authoritarian" stance, then deriving your conclusions to mold with that view. Scientific fact and ethics have nothing to do with each other in this topic: racial differences in IQ , psychopathic behavior, life-history strategy, etc. are very well established, but of course moral claims are not derived from these facts; they are in two separate categories.
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@buckminster Damn not gonna lie, Ray was a complete idiot about IQ. It's like he barely did any research.
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@Hitler Yeah it's a "We can't have anyone inferior to another person intellectually, especially if it shows a bias towards or against different races according to a test so let's just attack the people who invented it and find anomalies to claim it's completely inaccurate." thing rather than valid criticism. It's also ridiculous for Ray to refer to the author of The Bell Curve as a Harvard idiot. Like it genuinely made Ray seethe to see that the bottom class has lower intelligence and it isn't the big scary rich white man holding them back from success.
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I think it would do you good to familiarize with Ray Peat's work, you know, the guy who inspired this forum. Because you made it clear you didn't even realize that racist genetics were incompatible with his work and it appears to be news to you that he wrote so fervently against them. As you will find in nearly all of his articles he at some point touches on this topic. It is a central theme of his work. Environment eclipse genetics, energy and structure are interdependent at every level, and we are regenerative adaptive beings always in development. Within that is the profound beauty of his message. I can't begin to rewrite all of Ray's articles to help explain it to you, nor would I care to. I am not naive enough to think I can change your mind, you are set in your ways and the only thing that will rehabilitate your philosophy of hate is personal development and life experience. But just know it's idiotic to impose them onto ray's work which is objectively counter to them.
You're holding tightly to the genetic IQ perspective because it helps you justify your abhorrent beliefs. I'm sure if it was disproven you would find some other reason to justify them. Even if it were true what good is it to justify subjugating and excluding other people based on an IQ test? There are many forms of intelligence not quantified by IQ. My dog has a low IQ, but in the world of scent she is a super genius and I'm a bafoon, to her that is a more important mark of intelligence. Say you prove afrikan bushmen have low IQ. Well they are super genuinses of survival and bushcraft. If you showed up to their culture they would think you are a monumental idiot who knows nothing, and would die helplessly. Another person may have a low IQ but be an incredible painter, or incredible mother, or have a profound compassion that improves the world and heals and lights up the day of all they encounter. In your context it's to justify hate. Which will get you no where. Its a toxic belief that creates a life of suffering. Everyone is best to outgrow whatever weird corner of the internet they trauma bonded with when they were lonely socially maladjusted adolescents.
