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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
But it's very strange to me that nobody is discussing his claim that Dr. Stephens is fabricating a success rate for his treatment and then charging people $1000 to make it work but instead they're poking holes in Garrett's list of pubmed studies like it matters.
Look harder. It’s been discussed.
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@Jaffe said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
Look harder. It’s been discussed.
I just read through the thread for this video and there is no comment on this. They're debating Garrett's research dump
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
@Jaffe said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
Look harder. It’s been discussed.
I just read through the thread for this video and there is not yet a comment on this.
There’s like 40 threads on dextrose since the Thor Torrens interview, so comments are scattered all over the place.
The success rate has to do with people working directly with him. IIRC, “success” is being measured by a questionnaire dealing with mental symptoms. It’s explained in one of his presentations.
As for the price, understand he treats patients with what they can afford to pay. The $1000 is a recently increased price to help cover some of the costs the less fortunate can’t meet him at. So for example if you’re financially struggling and go to him complaining about lack of energy, helplessness, and experience suicidal thoughts, he won’t turn you away. Chalk it up to his religious devotion.
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
@Jaffe That's fine. When someone finds the exchange we can correct the record but it has to be after this time point. Eventually they will have a discussion about it at the rpf and it's hard to believe they haven't but it's something that can happen in a censored environment.
If Stephens isn't credible than nothing he says has any meaning. Garrett says the doctor's a liar but the liar says he is not lying.
The reason this is very important is because people are doing the protocol completely based off this mans claims. God gave him the idea and he witnessed it work. His credibility is foundational.
If Garrett is defaming the guy then he should be punished. He's attacking the man's reputation and income. And actually Stephens would be the hero of the story if it's all true which would make it even worse. Garrett would be the villain protecting his interests instead of helping to heal the world.
You are giving too much credit to the kind Stephens.
Just because it was posted on the rpf recently
Doesn’t mean this is a new conceptAs I said in another thread
This is one of the (three) foundations to Peats workNot to mention
Peripheral IVs of glucose is standard treatment for the critically ill in the ERThis is old news that has been driven out by the indoctrination of the medical complex and the health gurus
Sugar was used to pack wounds in the war
What Stephens says (im assuming; I haven’t listened past ten minutes) is more based than Smith’s IMO; but nothing new to see hereAnd I do not agree with protocols of pills or tablets
But Stephens comes from that milieu
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@Insomniac said in Anti vitamin A Garrett Smith launches a JIHAD! against glucose God Dr. David Stephens:
@Peatful Why do you suppose Dr. Peat didn't discover the magical healing powers of pure dextrose powder? Hasn't it been in use experimentally for nearly 100 years? How could he have missed it? The biochemist missed it completely but the psychologist figured it out in his sleep.
For the last few decades Ray Peat has been telling people to eat real food and to prefer fruit over sugar and I have no doubt that RP would not! recommend anyone drink pure dextrose water for 6 months. He would say have some juice and more recently he would probably say lower your fat and protein.
Yes, I understand your questions
And agree with questioning drinking dextrose water over six months
But without listening myself to Stephens I have no contextI’m driving into work and this is voice recognition
I will be brief and/or cryptic
Peat was a sucrose guy, a sugar guy, a food guy
Simple and accessible to people
Example: putting 2 tablespoons of sugar in milk
Example: eating a pound of sugar over three days to “heal” the liver and thyroid
(I posted this clip in another thread)Despite all the supplement pushing on the forum and by allopathic and naturopathic medicines
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Two quick things I want to add
Stephens is a psychologist. Therefore his lens is brain health.
Pete’s lens was metabolic health, cellular respiration, mitochondrial respiration
Pete looked bio energeticallyOn Charlie’s forum, my Signature used to say:
Apart from a good metabolism, anything can be dangerousThat is relevant, whether talking about dextrose pills or adding therapeutic amounts sugar in the diet
Pete was not wrong
This is been voice to text
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As someone currently experimenting with dextrose I can only say this:
I trust no one except the friends and family I know well. I do not trust my health with Ray Peat, Garrett Smith, nor Dr Stephens. I like to try things that make fundamental sense to me. I am responsible for myself. I’ve made plenty of bad decisions in my life, heck I’m sure I’ll make more: that’s life.
Perhaps we could all just relax and trust in each other’s autonomy? Debate is great, disagreement should be expected, we all have a unique point of view.
No one is asking anyone to try anything you don’t want to. You are in charge of your life. I for one wouldn’t have it any other way. I like sharing what I’m trying with a community of somewhat like minded folks, but honestly if it causes this much consternation, I’ll probably just pass.
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Oh, and don't ask "What's in it for Garrett?He is as plainspoken and pickling' honest as a southern peanut farmer. "
Lol I want to know what this colloquialism means... not a reference to Carter, is it?
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yes, though I should have used Midwestern teenage boy scout instead lol, with due respect to Carter
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@yerrag lol
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I went over there because I read that Smith and Charlie are no longer working together?
I was trying to find that data.
I was unsuccessful
Anyone?
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@Peatful I was reacting to what @insomniac said in the other thread. But I guess if Smith is shitting on carbs (dextrose/glucose) now that might be one reason. Charlie allegedly still promotes carbohydrate based diets. Whether or not that's because he actually believes they're healthy or because it just so happens his store sells glucose powder is a question worth pondering.
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I could see how someone with poor liver health might feel better by switching to pure dextrose rather than incorporating high amounts of fructose in the diet. But all that's really suggesting is they've fucked themselves up on high-fat low carb diets in the past. And it's really got nothing to do with an "intrinsically toxic" fructose molecule. I'm also not so sure you'd need to resort to dextrose powder. Safe starches are obviously available, and Mike Fave was even nice enough to list some fruits with a good even ratio of glucose to fructose, like oranges (although "muh A" crowd won't touch orange things). Apples might wreck someone due to their insanely high fructose:glucose ratio.
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The $1000 is a recently increased price to help cover some of the costs the less fortunate can’t meet him at.
I just wanted to correct this because I believe this is for a cluster of appointments and not a single one. I was a little confusing by how Garrett framed this. I don't want to defame someone.
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@Insomniac good to know. That price range seems typical of both naturopaths and actual doctors
