Thoughts on cigarettes
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@OliverCloasov would stuff like vapes and snus benefit in increasing test levels?
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@swordzonmyback Nicotine-wise, I would think both can offer similar benefit.
Vapes could be an issue due to the base that's used (either propylene glycol or vegetable oil) and might even be worse for the body long term because of that.
I'm not sure about snus, but tI venture that may damage the sensitive epithelia of the mouth due to holding that concentrated material in there for periods of time, like how chewing tobacco would. I could be wrong about that though -
@OliverCloasov so what would you say is the best form of tobacco for increasing test and minimal negative effects
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@swordzonmyback I haven't tested it myself, but Id think organic tobacco through a water bong could be the cleanest and safest option, though I'm unsure how water soluble nicotine is (if so it would mean reduced nicotine in the vapor) .
Perhaps one of those electric vaporizers which work with raw leaf might work well.
Pipe or self-rolled tobacco without a good filter is a bad idea if you're a regular smoker, even if it's clean and organic tobacco.I smoke American Sprits organic with a filter, haven't had any issues with breathing and such (actually can still perform aerobically better than most of my non-smoking friends ironically). However, I do try to keep at least a 2 hours between smokes (if I'm smoking a lot that day) and a very high standard of health for myself, my liver & kidneys in order to manage damage. And I try to avoid smoking at least 3 hours before bed for various reasons.
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The people I’ve known who smoke a lot of cigarettes all look old and worn out. I think cigarettes age you faster.
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@Mallard6146 Yeah they certainly age the skin, particularly if the face, I think in part due to a dehydrating effect and in part bc if the metabolites of combustion. I noted that in myself, especially since I had been a 'coffee and cigarettes' guy. This can be mitigated to an extent with proper moderation and good health & lifestyle habits, but I don't think it can be completely. Chain smokers get it the worst
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I enjoy vaping more because I don't get the coughing problems you develop after a few days or weeks of smoking, even spirits and the fancy organic clean tobacco blends. I'm not even a heavy smoker, pack would always last me 1-3 weeks. Sometimes I would just smoke 1 cig a day and still felt this effect. My suspicion is this effect is actually caused by the microfibers in the filters, only problem is smoking tobacco without a filter is extremely harsh. The temperature of the smoke is too high when entering the throat and can be irritating.
With vaping, my throat always feels clear, and breathing is fine if you buy high quality ones. I get the disposable kind, fresh battery and wick every time. Vapes have a 5% Nicotine Salt solution which I think is stronger than most cigarettes, however most of the vegetable glycerin does come from things like soybean oil. I do think it's such a small amount that a lifting session should be able to counteract its effects.
Nicotine is too powerful of a stimulant really; it helps with almost everything. I think some trade-offs are fine.
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@The-New-Sun Do you use disposable or refillable?
ILF
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@b1 After many years of experimenting with them I have come to prefer disposable ones, specifically geek bars. They have tons of sucralose though and may have some peculiar side effects. I would experiment with different types, never buy the RAZ ones, Juul is pretty good.
Refillable vapes can be very well manufactured like the Orion brand, however it's something that you have to take better care of, not break it or lose it otherwise you have to spend a lot more money. Kind of feels good to throw away a vape after it's got 20-30% in the tank and just get a new one for $20.
These vapes last me a very long time, because of the high nicotine content I use them sparingly, and they are perfect for indoors usage as well as after meals/drinks.
I wish I didn't have to rely on nicotine but as John Daly said:
"I believe nicotine plus caffeine equals protein". -
Peat said a little tobacco leaf (if you could get a quality source) under the lip throughout the day could be beneficial (I've yet to find 5 year aged and organic - I may just settle on organic).
If you don't know, drying removes the radioactive isotopes. And, tobacco is loaded with glyphosate.
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Look up Travis posts on smoking in RPF, he said that the main cause of concern was I think ammonia and depletion of vitamin E. He supplemented gamma tocopherol (not alpha) for this reason I think.
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@thyroidchor27 and I believe urea can “detox” ammonia. Same with sodium benzoate found in the original glass version of Dr Pepper.
