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      BioEclectic @OliverCloasov
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      @OliverCloasov
      Or maybe Garret is giving something away when he starts babbling that occult stuff.

      Or he's simply another charlatan trying to make a dishonest buck and parrots whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.

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        Peatful @OliverCloasov
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        @OliverCloasov said in New "Mission" of RPF:

        There's a new thread there slamming Smith for reposting an X post about transmutation of sexual energy into high productivity, and it's all getting slammed as witchcraft and demons lol

        I just looked

        The tweet was about being a man…..stopping porn
        No?

        I think Smith is a turd
        An absolutely broken dude

        However
        I support that message

        Just because the verb transmute was used
        Goodness
        I think they meant change
        As in: Change to not consume porn

        What has happened to that forum….
        Is this just the nature of what information via social media does to people?

        Rhetorical

        The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.

        SD

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          OliverCloasov @BioEclectic
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          @BioEclectic nah transmutation is only 'occult' in the sense that it's not an exoteric modality and can give power to the individual to make productive changes to their lives, as opposed to dedicating that same energy to 'getting off', which is the common exoteric modality.
          As for Smith looking to expand his audience with such ideas, yeah that's likely on point. Perhaps a little bit of an indirect jab towards Charlie and his crusaders too lol

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            OliverCloasov @Peatful
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            @Peatful Yup I agree 💯

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              bio3nergetic
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              My only concern, and the one thing that actually vexes me - since I really do not care about their bickering, their views or ideas, from either side - is that the name RAY PEAT be removed in association with the old forum. It is absolutely and utterly wrong that his namesake IS the forum. Ridiculous at this point.

              By the way, Charlie knows this. He is a typical religious zealot who is absolutely blind to his hypocrisies and contradictions. His motives now are power and money. He knows it. He knew it when he miserably argued against me back in 2016 on cleaning up the forum, as I've stated before.

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                bot-mod @bio3nergetic
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                @bio3nergetic said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                vexes me

                Drop it. For your sake. No really.

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                  bio3nergetic @bot-mod
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                  @ThinPicking lol I appreciate the concern haha. Obviously I was being somewhat hyperbolic. I don't lose sleep over it. However, I would love for a cease and desist of Ray's name for his forum name.

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                    Jaffe
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                    The religious zealotry really drags down the forum.

                    It’s fine to discuss, sure, but the constant purity tests are tiring.

                    I don’t need or care to know how someone views god. I need and care to know if a dietary intervention works or not.

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                      bot-mod @Jaffe
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                      @Jaffe said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                      The religious zealotry really drags down the forum.

                      But this is important, his fave has the Mandate of Heaven or something. And apparently his prophetic projections are 'Glorious'.

                      wut.jpg

                      @Jaffe said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                      I don’t need or care to know how someone views god. I need and care to know if a dietary intervention works or not.

                      I reckon these things are inextricably linked. But it may be more an underlying thought form and feeling than a linguistical exercise. Maybe more a matter of heart than mind. Gleaning it from someone's writing might involve some inference and metaphor. I've no idea really, this isn't my day job.

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                        bot-mod @bio3nergetic
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                        @bio3nergetic 💪

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                          VehmicJuryman @bot-mod
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                          This thread argues that the high methionine in the standard Ray Peat foods explains the negative symptoms better than vitamin A. It makes sense, many of the "poison A" believers talk about their negative experiences with dairy, which has the worst methionine:glycine ratio of any food.

                          https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/vitamin-a-or-methionine-adverse-reaction.50563/

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                            bot-mod @VehmicJuryman
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                            You've muddled your language VJ. You mean 'high vitamin A foods', not 'standard Ray Peat foods'.

                            Thank you for sharing it. Because this is supportive of my inner generalisation, that something's causing these people to struggle with the fruits of nature. And they simply picked a particular micronutrient because an engineer made up a conspiracy theory, wrote a book and tortured some mice.

                            Neither 'poison A' nor a methionine/glycine ratio explains their difficulty relative to those who don't have one.

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                              Jaffe @VehmicJuryman
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                              @VehmicJuryman

                              I could buy that if muscle meat consumption wasn’t a primary focus of a low-A diet lol. They’re getting high methionine while low vit-A

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                                VehmicJuryman @Jaffe
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                                @Jaffe Milk has a worse ratio of methionine to glycine than any muscle meat. Milk and dairy products actually have more methionine than glycine, while all muscle meats have more glycine than methionine (though still not at a high enough ratio to be optimal). Maybe the difference is significant enough to account for the anecdotes from the anti-vitamin A followers? Here is a comparison of milk to filet mignon (aka tenderloin) steak, one of the cuts Charlie says he eats:

                                https://tools.myfooddata.com/nutrition-comparison/170641-171265/200cals-200cals/1-1

                                Does anyone know if the any of anti-vitamin A followers took enough glycine? According to Chris Masterjohn the daily minimum should be 10g. That's 30g of collagen or gelatin daily, which is quite a lot, like 8 tablespoons of pure collagen powder.

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                                  bot-mod @VehmicJuryman
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                                  @VehmicJuryman said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                  According to Chris Masterjohn the daily minimum should be 10g.

                                  I doubt this is a glycine thing. But would they even listen VJ.

                                  "Chris Masterjohn is obviously suffering from vitamin A toxicity

                                  As we know PHDs and doctors are not immune to being sick and diseased" - Evan Torrens

                                  Simultaneously the funniest and most profound 7 months of my internet career.

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                                    Mallard6146
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                                    The talk of Trump being anointed is too much.

                                    The Godfather of Operation Warp Speed is going to save everyone he didn’t successfully euthanize with the poison shot.

                                    If a Western citizen still believes these clowns aren’t on the same team (not ours), and still gets fired up about voting and politicians, they fit firmly in the mid-wit and below IQ category (despite delusions of their intelligence).

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                                      bot-mod @Mallard6146
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                                      @Mallard6146 said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                      The talk of Trump being anointed is too much.

                                      cringe.jpg

                                      And there I was thinking God has a hand on everything and everyone. Except free will, or the outsourcing of it.

                                      @Mallard6146 said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                      The Godfather of Operation Warp Speed is going to save everyone he didn’t successfully euthanize with the poison shot.

                                      god forbid, busy high-trust people should bear the light and be bright. Especially if they're 'liberal'.

                                      Personally I wouldn't even vax vax 'persuasion' perpetrators. Just re-educate them with mandatory thyroid, sugar and military grade, clockwork orange kindness. (Humour, ofc.)

                                      @Mallard6146 said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                      If a Western citizen still believes these clowns aren’t on the same team (not ours), and still gets fired up about voting and politicians, they fit firmly in the mid-wit and below IQ category (despite delusions of their intelligence).

                                      I see your point, I understand. And agree no one should be getting fired up about selecting janitors. But like or lump, they are on our team. They just need coherent instructions.

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                                        Mallard6146 @bot-mod
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                                        @ThinPicking

                                        The problem is not the lack of instructions, but who they are receiving the instructions from.

                                        Janitors is a gracious label. I believe “exterminators” is more fitting.

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                                          bot-mod @Mallard6146
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                                          Yep. But there's more of you. Coherence is a tall order. But there's more of you.

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                                            bot-mod @Mallard6146
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                                            @Mallard6146 said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                            Janitors is a gracious label. I believe “exterminators” is more fitting.

                                            The new chief exterminator here is looking forward to his super special, special relationship with trump. No doubt.

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