General discussion HIT strength training.
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In my peak condition(fat powerlifter), I found super low training volume very effective, but across multiple very heavy sets. I would train squats 3x3 or sometimes 4x2 at near maximal loads once or twice a week. Never tested 1RM at this level, but would probably put it somewhere around 440 lbs.
Had a pretty long layoff between heavy cutting and irl projects and when I returned to training I did Mentzer by the book HIT and my squat capped out and stuck at around 320x6 and overall found progress much slower than more more frequent training sessions. I think low volume works with high intensities, but one set is a little too low. -
@Norwegian-Mugabe said in General discussion HIT strength training.:
o.Infamous Mike Mentzer interview
Dorian Yates training is better.
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@Peatriot HIT training is not for powerlifting, but for building muscle mass.
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@TumescentPeanus Is there any reason to train the upper body for longer sets than the lower body? It does not make sense to me.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe Yes but I also didn't really grow much either in the 6 months I tried it, especially compared to "normal" programming. I was quoting those numbers more to use an empirical point than to imply HIT is a valuable powerlifting program. Doing HIT is fine if you are only interested in spending a short time in the gym once a week and possibly maintaining a decent physique but it really isn't a valuable tool for body building past a point.
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@Peatriot I and others have extreme muscle growth on HIT. My growth has increased in proportion to an increase in intensity and reduction in volume.
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2x failure in 4-8 rep range for compounds and 8-12 range for isolations
Hit each muscle group 2x a week
Repeat
Profit?
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@Norwegian-Mugabe I am glad to hear it is working well for you. Can you or these others post before and after pics and a little bit on your training style before switching to HIT plus an outline on your HIT routine? Curious about your routine since it varies from the standard Mentzer program based on what you wrote prior.
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@Peatriot I do not plan to post pictures here, as I do not want to lose my job. I did Rippetoe's pracitcal programming. Now I do one set to failure of: squats, deadlifts, chin-ups, & dips. When I say failure, then I mean absolute failure. People always look at me like I am a freak in the gym.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe said in General discussion HIT strength training.:
@TumescentPeanus Is there any reason to train the upper body for longer sets than the lower body? It does not make sense to me.
I find that small muscles like delts don't get exhausted nearly as quickly with a given percentage of 1RM. Taking say 90% of that, I can do 4-5 squats, 3 deadlifts, and 5-6 overhead presses + a clean to get the bar up to my collar. Might have to do with the fact that I'm moving less weight in absolute terms. Might just be my lack of lower body endurance, I always had weak legs as a kid.
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@TumescentPeanus You should perceive, think, and act in all areas of life. It is good that you shape your strength program to your own physiology. Do not be afraid to try out things, and always reevaluate what you do.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe what does it mean to perceive
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@raypneat perceive is the way children view new things and experiences. Try to mimic the way children interactes with new experiences. You will grow more and better if you are able to view the world in this way.
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Mangan on Why strength training is important
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I am a fucking genius. Some people report underwhelming muscle growth when they start HIT strength training, as their T-levels are too low due to general inactivity. Some people need to be instructed to go for walks during rest days as they are too fucking stupid to figure this out for themselves.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe lmao
I have been on a HIT training plan for 7-8 months. 3 sessions a week. When I was bulking I would consistently PR every week on every exercise, which felt great. Next time I bulk I'd go much higher carbs and lower fat, because I got a little tubby by the end. I was drinking a milkshake every night.
Still doing HIT the past 3 months but been doing a high carb, almost zero fat diet. Tyronene, Pansterone, a couple grams of aspirin+ 3-5mg K2. Low intensity cardio. I don't track calories but I'm likely in a significant deficit. I've lost minimal strength. Lost 20 pounds and trimmed 4" off my waist since January.
Gonna be a little muscled twink by summer. Cheers
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@onliest Your progress is great. We need to personify fascism. If you are not on testosterone, then training three times a week is too much. You need to amp up the intensity. You need to adopt the siege mentality. I do not "go to the gym". I come sprinting through the corridors yelling "Total barbarian invasion, total barbarian invasion, total barbarian invasion". this is key, as it strikes fear in everyone else in the building. This signals to your unconscious that you are at the top of the food chain. I warm up by jerking off in the handicap WC. I know I am ready for my weekly workout when I am about to edge. Then I put 200 KGs on the bar and try to go for 20 reps in the squat, which never happens. This is followed by a contraction chin-up hold, and dips until I am spitting blood. With the highest intensity possible, you should not be able to train more than once a week, and people should be afraid of you. There is a direct disproportion of the freak others think you are, and the greatness of your future body. To War!
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@Norwegian-Mugabe My mantra is "Total body fascism, billions of adipocytes must die." I take Pansterone and only spend 20-30 mins per workout max. I'm gonna start incorporating some isometric exercises because Mentzer supremacy.
I've stopped trying to "redpill" my friends and acquaintances on RW ideas because outright persuasion simply doesn't work, and in some cases can be perilous. Instead, I strive to embody vitality, energy and charisma. Anyone that sincerely tries to increase their power and beauty will come to the desired conclusion.