Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat

OliverCloasov

@Peatful That's fair enough, though I think there are aspects of Truth within the Occult worth being availed of (my 2c)

yerrag

Respect Peatful's belief in Baltimore Catechism. She needs a nihil obstat and imprimatur or she'll have to keep confessing.

Peatful

@yerrag said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

@OliverCloasov

Respect Peatful's belief in Baltimore Catechism. She needs a nihil obstat and imprimatur or she'll have to keep confessing.

Ad hominem?
(argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

If that’s a bunch of Catholic vernacular
I am more troubled by that than Steiner probably

Edit: word

yerrag

@Peatful

Ahh ... Didn't I say what is as close as one gets to reveal your bias as programmed into you? If we rejected our medical brainwashing and embraced Ray Peat, shouldn't we be more likely to reject other analogues as well? Shouldn't you?

wrl

@Peatful said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

Ie: “Freemasonry and Ritual Work: The Misraim Service”

Fwiw, https://rsarchive.org/Search.php?q=Misraim

The Essence and Task of Freemasonry from the Point of View of Spiritual Science
— https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA093/English/RSP1985/19041209p01.html

ThinPicking

@Peatful said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

Rudolf was an occultist

"Voice your prophecy, shed us some light"

The ramblings of an occultist may be useful. Assuming I and all can be very very careful with it.

yerrag

@ThinPicking said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

@Peatful said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

Rudolf was an occultist

"Voice your prophecy, shed us some light"

The ramblings of an occultist may be useful. Assuming I and all can be very very careful with it.

To throw shade at some great leader, saying he is an occultist can be likened to saying that he is the kind possessed with dark spirits that makes him capable of genocides such as the Holocaust.

Have you ever read that Hitler engages in the occult?

Peatful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner

Gnostic. Occultist. Psuedohistorian. Etc

He was lost.
So confused and deceived.

Sad.

Peatful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occultism_in_Nazism

yerrag

@Peatful

Go with Wikipedia as your Bible when you see fit.

Calling a cat a dog because Wiki says a dog meows is just peachy.

Peatful

@yerrag

https://www.hickorystickbookshop.com/book/9781805476719

https://www.electricalspirituality.com/rudolf-steiner-a-great-philosopher-and-esotericist/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZVoM9OdDvA

https://rsarchive.org/Articles/GA034/English/SOL2024/05_Introduction_to_Lucifer-Gnosis.html

You have said elsewhere that you hated me
You speak hatefully to me
Please block me

yerrag

@Peatful

I don't hate you. But if you feel it, it's because we're on different wavelengths on some areas, but not on all areas

That stuff about nihil obstat and imprimatur isn't an ad hom. But I ignore that because you know it's not. I don't want to defend myself on that because that never stops once we get into that.

But what I ever said to you never implied hate, and I'm sure I don't use that word on you. That would only happen between me and a person I have intense personal friendships with and ended up in great disappointment. We never were great friends.

But you can block me. I don't have to block you.

Butter Girl

@yerrag said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

I share what I posted to my viber group:

Good afternoon, I would like to share with you an exhaustive series of talks given by Rudolf Steiner made about a hundred years ago. These recordings are very interesting to listen to, if only because it gives me a window into our human development that predates Christianity, Buddhism, and Zoroastrianism, and further back into what we consider Atlantis. It dwelves into the stars and the sun, into the angels such as the Thrones, and into Lucifer, and into Adam. As materialistically and scientifically and technologically wrapped as we are now, we should also look into our past to appreciate how humanity has evolved and advanced over the epochs. Despite these advances, we are somehow unable to break free from the vestiges of an earlier underdeveloped part of our humanity, being controlled by what can be considered a reptilian-minded reactionary ideology and priesthood, which has held back our development into more compassionate selves that reflect the spirit of the Buddha and the Christ.

Why the world is so makes me question many tenets deep in our faith, especially with how I felt our pope failed us in protecting us from what I feel are lies and actual bodily and societal harm. It is as if the church is one with the establishment, and the establishment not at all serving God and the common good.

Rudolf Steiner is someone I have not been familiar with, but in listening to his talks, I felt that we should have listened to- more than the standard catechism in CLE.(Christian Life Education). He has a following in the many schools named after him, where he emphasized learning and development that makes a child develop well, especially to face learning with self discovery, and to develop a critical mind that even our fabled Jesuit education has fallen short of.

He has also developed hia own system of agriculture, which is also anathema to what modern gricultural colleges would teach us.

For there is more to just getting a degree from highly credentialed schools, Ivy League or Ateneo or La Salle be damned. There is a lot out there beyond what our schools drill into our head.

But this is all I can say. If you're like me, you will be immersed in enjoying and looking forward to the next lecture in his very long series of talks. The heavy traffic in the metro is one I enjoy now, if only because this is when his talks get my undivided attention.

I think we are fortunate to be exposed to I.I (Individualized Instruction). It is as if we are used to learning on our own, at our pace, and we can easily do it alone in the privacy of our drives, meals, and walks, where we have the chance to nourish our minds.

I have been very negative about the main influencers who see their role as God's chosen people as something of an entitlement rather than as a call to serve humanity. Until I listened to these lectures. I now feel sorry for them instead. For they have seen fit to be guided by laws from an underdeveloped epoch, and still are bound by the letter of laws from an earlier time where man has not learned of the capacity to love, and are unable to accept new laws that are based on compassion and to act in the newly acquired spirit.

Here is the link to his trove of lectures:

https://rudolfsteineraudio.com/lecturesimagebased.html

n.b. Someone here shared this link with me. I want to thank him for that. I could not find the thread we were in. I would have thought searching for "Steiner" as a keyword would be a simple matter. Seems like depending on packaged search engines leave us to trust the reliability of such engines, and it has disappointed me. It is the same here as it was in the RPF. @brad nothing against you but that is the nature of tech. Which is why I subscribe to a search app service on my cellphone, and pay for it, to get good search performance.

Many of Steiner’s predictions are coming true- especially today.
I don’t care what his religious persuasions are. He was right about many things.
The information he shared is what’s important.

CrumblingCookie

I just put this here for your appreciation. 5th day lecture GA 177:

"We should not fool ourselves, for we are faced with a quite specific movement. At the Council of Constantinople it was decreed that the spirit did not exist; it was dogmatically stated that the human being consisted only of body and soul, and it was heresy to speak of a human spirit. In the same way attempts will be made to decree the soul, the inner life, as nonexistent.

The time will come — and it may not be far off — when quite different tendencies will come up at a congress like the one held in 1912 and people will say: It is pathological for people to even think in terms of spirit and soul. ‘Sound’ people will speak of nothing but the body. It will be considered a sign of illness for anyone to arrive at the idea of any such thing as a spirit or a soul. People who think like that will be considered to be sick and — you can be quite sure of it — a medicine will be found for this. At Constantinople the spirit was made non-existent. The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a drug. Taking a ‘sound point of view’, people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.

The two philosophies of life will be in complete opposition. One movement will need to reflect how concepts and ideas may be developed to meet the reality of soul and spirit. The others, the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body ‘healthy’, that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit, but takes a ‘sound’ view of the forces which live in engines and in chemistry and let planets and suns arise from nebulae in the cosmos. Materialistic physicians will be asked to drive the souls out of humanity.

People who think that playful ideas will help them to look ahead to the future are very much mistaken. We need serious, thorough, profound ideas to look ahead to the future. The sciences of humanities are not a game, nor just a theory; they are a true duty towards the development of humanity."

Also, any Church-affiliated Christians will always find reasons to deny and begrime Rudolf Steiner's thinkings and serious spirituality (intrinsic duplicities and superficialities aside), for it is not theirs to meddle with the dangers of the spiritual world but to rely on Christ or their instituted churchmen/bishop/exorcist or occultist/confusionist/extortionist to stand and act as a trustworthy gatekeeper between the realms in order to keep them safe and provide guidance.
Which is quite an example of self-imposed mental immaturity. Very anti-enlightenment.
Which can be alright, even a wise necessity for those who are otherwise unprepared.
Even in the best circumstances, however, it can also make you think of the story of Saruman when it comes to the middlemen being relied upon over time.

Also, by papal bull, both the corporal human being as well as the human soul are claimed by the pope, his puppeteers and shadowmen. So any Church-affiliated Christians really must not lay claim to either of these two but be content with their ascribed personae.

Have fun with this info.

Butter Girl

@CrumblingCookie said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

I just put this here for your appreciation. 5th day lecture GA 177:

"We should not fool ourselves, for we are faced with a quite specific movement. At the Council of Constantinople it was decreed that the spirit did not exist; it was dogmatically stated that the human being consisted only of body and soul, and it was heresy to speak of a human spirit. In the same way attempts will be made to decree the soul, the inner life, as nonexistent.

The time will come — and it may not be far off — when quite different tendencies will come up at a congress like the one held in 1912 and people will say: It is pathological for people to even think in terms of spirit and soul. ‘Sound’ people will speak of nothing but the body. It will be considered a sign of illness for anyone to arrive at the idea of any such thing as a spirit or a soul. People who think like that will be considered to be sick and — you can be quite sure of it — a medicine will be found for this. At Constantinople the spirit was made non-existent. The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a drug. Taking a ‘sound point of view’, people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.

The two philosophies of life will be in complete opposition. One movement will need to reflect how concepts and ideas may be developed to meet the reality of soul and spirit. The others, the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body ‘healthy’, that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit, but takes a ‘sound’ view of the forces which live in engines and in chemistry and let planets and suns arise from nebulae in the cosmos. Materialistic physicians will be asked to drive the souls out of humanity.

People who think that playful ideas will help them to look ahead to the future are very much mistaken. We need serious, thorough, profound ideas to look ahead to the future. The sciences of humanities are not a game, nor just a theory; they are a true duty towards the development of humanity."

Also, any Church-affiliated Christians will always find reasons to deny and begrime Rudolf Steiner's thinkings and serious spirituality (intrinsic duplicities and superficialities aside), for it is not theirs to meddle with the dangers of the spiritual world but to rely on Christ or their instituted churchmen/bishop/exorcist or occultist/confusionist/extortionist to stand and act as a trustworthy gatekeeper between the realms in order to keep them safe and provide guidance.
Which is quite an example of self-imposed mental immaturity. Very anti-enlightenment.
Which can be alright, even a wise necessity for those who are otherwise unprepared.
Even in the best circumstances, however, it can also make you think of the story of Saruman when it comes to the middlemen being relied upon over time.

Also, by papal bull, both the corporal human being as well as the human soul are claimed by the pope, his puppeteers and shadowmen. So any Church-affiliated Christians really must not lay claim to either of these two but be content with their ascribed personae.

Have fun with this info.

Amazing isn’t it, what he wrote? He was way before his time but right on target. How can someone not appreciate his thoughts?

yerrag

@Butter-Girl said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

@CrumblingCookie said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

I just put this here for your appreciation. 5th day lecture GA 177:

"We should not fool ourselves, for we are faced with a quite specific movement. At the Council of Constantinople it was decreed that the spirit did not exist; it was dogmatically stated that the human being consisted only of body and soul, and it was heresy to speak of a human spirit. In the same way attempts will be made to decree the soul, the inner life, as nonexistent.

The time will come — and it may not be far off — when quite different tendencies will come up at a congress like the one held in 1912 and people will say: It is pathological for people to even think in terms of spirit and soul. ‘Sound’ people will speak of nothing but the body. It will be considered a sign of illness for anyone to arrive at the idea of any such thing as a spirit or a soul. People who think like that will be considered to be sick and — you can be quite sure of it — a medicine will be found for this. At Constantinople the spirit was made non-existent. The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a drug. Taking a ‘sound point of view’, people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.

The two philosophies of life will be in complete opposition. One movement will need to reflect how concepts and ideas may be developed to meet the reality of soul and spirit. The others, the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body ‘healthy’, that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit, but takes a ‘sound’ view of the forces which live in engines and in chemistry and let planets and suns arise from nebulae in the cosmos. Materialistic physicians will be asked to drive the souls out of humanity.

People who think that playful ideas will help them to look ahead to the future are very much mistaken. We need serious, thorough, profound ideas to look ahead to the future. The sciences of humanities are not a game, nor just a theory; they are a true duty towards the development of humanity."

Also, any Church-affiliated Christians will always find reasons to deny and begrime Rudolf Steiner's thinkings and serious spirituality (intrinsic duplicities and superficialities aside), for it is not theirs to meddle with the dangers of the spiritual world but to rely on Christ or their instituted churchmen/bishop/exorcist or occultist/confusionist/extortionist to stand and act as a trustworthy gatekeeper between the realms in order to keep them safe and provide guidance.
Which is quite an example of self-imposed mental immaturity. Very anti-enlightenment.
Which can be alright, even a wise necessity for those who are otherwise unprepared.
Even in the best circumstances, however, it can also make you think of the story of Saruman when it comes to the middlemen being relied upon over time.

Also, by papal bull, both the corporal human being as well as the human soul are claimed by the pope, his puppeteers and shadowmen. So any Church-affiliated Christians really must not lay claim to either of these two but be content with their ascribed personae.

Have fun with this info.

Amazing isn’t it, what he wrote? He was way before his time but right on target. How can someone not appreciate his thoughts?

Amazing. Thanks for sharing @CrumblingCookie about predicting vaccines.

What other predictions did he make?

Butter Girl

@yerrag said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

@Butter-Girl said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

@CrumblingCookie said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

I just put this here for your appreciation. 5th day lecture GA 177:

"We should not fool ourselves, for we are faced with a quite specific movement. At the Council of Constantinople it was decreed that the spirit did not exist; it was dogmatically stated that the human being consisted only of body and soul, and it was heresy to speak of a human spirit. In the same way attempts will be made to decree the soul, the inner life, as nonexistent.

The time will come — and it may not be far off — when quite different tendencies will come up at a congress like the one held in 1912 and people will say: It is pathological for people to even think in terms of spirit and soul. ‘Sound’ people will speak of nothing but the body. It will be considered a sign of illness for anyone to arrive at the idea of any such thing as a spirit or a soul. People who think like that will be considered to be sick and — you can be quite sure of it — a medicine will be found for this. At Constantinople the spirit was made non-existent. The soul will be made non-existent with the aid of a drug. Taking a ‘sound point of view’, people will invent a vaccine to influence the organism as early as possible, preferably as soon as it is born, so that this human body never even gets the idea that there is a soul and a spirit.

The two philosophies of life will be in complete opposition. One movement will need to reflect how concepts and ideas may be developed to meet the reality of soul and spirit. The others, the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body ‘healthy’, that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit, but takes a ‘sound’ view of the forces which live in engines and in chemistry and let planets and suns arise from nebulae in the cosmos. Materialistic physicians will be asked to drive the souls out of humanity.

People who think that playful ideas will help them to look ahead to the future are very much mistaken. We need serious, thorough, profound ideas to look ahead to the future. The sciences of humanities are not a game, nor just a theory; they are a true duty towards the development of humanity."

Also, any Church-affiliated Christians will always find reasons to deny and begrime Rudolf Steiner's thinkings and serious spirituality (intrinsic duplicities and superficialities aside), for it is not theirs to meddle with the dangers of the spiritual world but to rely on Christ or their instituted churchmen/bishop/exorcist or occultist/confusionist/extortionist to stand and act as a trustworthy gatekeeper between the realms in order to keep them safe and provide guidance.
Which is quite an example of self-imposed mental immaturity. Very anti-enlightenment.
Which can be alright, even a wise necessity for those who are otherwise unprepared.
Even in the best circumstances, however, it can also make you think of the story of Saruman when it comes to the middlemen being relied upon over time.

Also, by papal bull, both the corporal human being as well as the human soul are claimed by the pope, his puppeteers and shadowmen. So any Church-affiliated Christians really must not lay claim to either of these two but be content with their ascribed personae.

Have fun with this info.

Amazing isn’t it, what he wrote? He was way before his time but right on target. How can someone not appreciate his thoughts?

Amazing. Thanks for sharing @CrumblingCookie about predicting vaccines.

What other predictions did he make?

As far as predictions, I was impressed with what he had written about vaccines - especially during his time. And how he had predicted how detrimental they were to the soul.

And that is exactly what the present day cov innoculations have done because apparently they erase the VMAT gene, which is known as the God gene. “ a specific gene, called vesicular monoamine transporter 2 (VMAT2), predisposes humans towards spiritual or mystic experiences. “

And he was writing about innoculations during an earlier time, his time. He had a concern even then about what injecting foreign substances into one’s body was going to do to a person’s soul.

“ VMAT2 encodes a transporter protein that imports several monoamine neurotransmitters into vesicles in the brain (reviewed in Zheng et al., 2006 blue right-pointing triangle). Thus, an alteration in the transporter could potentially affect the levels of multiple types of neurotransmitters, resulting in altered brain function. Changes in this monoamine transporter’s sequence or expression have been associated with substance abuse and Parkinson’s disease (Lin et al., 2005 blue right-pointing triangle; Schwab et al., 2005 blue right-pointing triangle; Glatt et al., 2006 blue right-pointing triangle; Yamamoto et al., 2006 blue right-pointing triangle)”
https://historyheist.com/research-into-how-to-block-out-the-god-gene-the-vmat2-gene-accepted-for-publication/

yerrag

@Butter-Girl

It’s a scary thought. Healing from the spiritual route is something we are not used to, being that we are mostly closed to material or physical healing. The more I get familiar with esoteric Christianity, the more I am open to spiritual healing as a component of our healing. One reason the powers that be keep pushing for vaccination for everything has to include separating is from the spirit.

One more reason to resist vaccination.

Butter Girl

@yerrag said in Rudolf Steiner's Great Lectures Has Me As Impressed As When I Started on My Health Journey with Ray Peat:

@Butter-Girl

It’s a scary thought. Healing from the spiritual route is something we are not used to, being that we are mostly closed to material or physical healing. The more I get familiar with esoteric Christianity, the more I am open to spiritual healing as a component of our healing. One reason the powers that be keep pushing for vaccination for everything has to include separating is from the spirit.

One more reason to resist vaccination.

Definitely. The powers don’t want people actually thinking, just following. You are right. They want us disconnected to our spirits because it’s our spirit that connects us to the divine, beyond ourselves.

And this has nothing to do with religion. Religion is a man made construct. Man made, man constructed
religion has nothing to do with true spiritually imo.

Religion was formulated by certain individuals throughout the ages to control man’s spirit, and the free expression thereof. And since by nature, mankind wants to be connected to others thru validation, mankind has willingly followed the crowd. Often times to their own detriment.

Plus, eradicate one’s connection with divine Creator, ie highjack the VMAT2 gene, and you got masses of humanity under control just like you want. Slaves.

I’ll add to what I wrote….I think the difference between someone who is religious and someone who is spiritual: a religious person is motivated by the collective, what the group says to do.

The spiritual person is motivated by what their inner
cognitive self, (the soul, their intellect) is saying to them. Which is then either validated or rejected by their spirit.

As we may be familiar, the exoteric is the external. The group think.The religion think. What others tell one how to behave.
Basically a person who operates on this level lets others do their thinking for them. Think of how certain internet forums operate.
The more esoterically minded individual, is one who looks within.
Of course, people can abuse the idea of looking within by listening to the wrong voices and thus go in a direction that leads them down the wrong path.

I think you have to know yourself very well to determine what is valid for you. Much wisdom comes from personal experience, trial and error. A lot of people can come to the wrong conclusions, because they haven’t had the experiences to know what is valid or not.
They believe they are thinking for themselves when in reality their thoughts are motivated by outside influences.
Many novices think that by listening to some guru, they have arrived at the answers, but they haven’t tested for themselves, how that answer is valid or not.
A big part of receiving answers has much to do with humility. Being willing to learn from one’s mistakes. Being willing to recognise that you know very little.

yerrag

@Butter-Girl

Well said. I can't add much to what you said.