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    LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
    last edited by Nov 25, 2024, 10:09 PM

    @Samyo If any food is causing breakouts, that's generally textbook SIBO.

    The carrot can cause problems if you have slow motility. You could try one bite of plain carrot 30 minutes before each meal and see how you do.

    Carrot salad is functioning like an antibiotic, so a herx reaction is common for many (die-off symptoms).

    have you tried the oat bran with calcium carbonate? That's a softer means of bile-binding and antibiotic action, that Ray suggested. An even softer one is well boiled mushrooms (blended for max benefit; Danny Roddy has a simple recipe).

    One of Ray's principles is that one should stick with food that cause least irritation, and slowly introduce new foods, even if those foods are for helping heal the problem.

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      Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
      last edited by Samyo Nov 25, 2024, 10:48 PM Nov 25, 2024, 10:25 PM

      @LetTheRedeemed Oatbran, carrot and mushrooms all cause dry red inflammed skin

      My motility becomes slow from having zero fiber so these no other way to speed it up, cascara, magnesium dont help

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        LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
        last edited by Nov 25, 2024, 11:05 PM

        @Samyo sounds like die off

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          LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
          last edited by LetTheRedeemed Nov 25, 2024, 11:10 PM Nov 25, 2024, 11:09 PM

          @Samyo

          I have my eyebrows, im not cold, im full of energy. how can i be hypo?

          You can be hypo via adrenaline keeping your temps and pulse up -- this is not good for digestion and youth hormonal production.

          The eyebrow symptom can be after long term hypometabolism, I wouldn't rely on that.

          You could try the tendon response test as an aid.

          Have you done any meetings with Danny Roddy or Jay Feldman?

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            Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
            last edited by Samyo Nov 25, 2024, 11:19 PM Nov 25, 2024, 11:16 PM

            @LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

            @Samyo

            I have my eyebrows, im not cold, im full of energy. how can i be hypo?

            You can be hypo via adrenaline keeping your temps and pulse up -- this is not good for digestion and youth hormonal production.

            The eyebrow symptom can be after long term hypometabolism, I wouldn't rely on that.

            You could try the tendon response test as an aid.

            Have you done any meetings with Danny Roddy or Jay Feldman?

            When i drink alot of milk, im not adrenlised, im relaxed and warm. I know the thyroid warmth feeling and the warm/hot adrenalised feeling

            How can a die off cause dry skin/inflammed skin?

            Isn't something in my diet contributing to the intake of toxins I always suspected milk because it changes my stool to pieces, and not a bristol chart 4 snake/log

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              LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
              last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 12:24 AM

              @Samyo

              When i drink alot of milk, im not adrenlised, im relaxed and warm. I know the thyroid warmth feeling and the warm/hot adrenalised feeling

              I honestly wouldn't trust whether you feel warm/hot feelings as a final metric of how your metabolism is doing.

              How can a die off cause dry skin/inflammed skin?

              Elevated estrogen basically causes all skin conditions, and a quick google search yielded this:
              Common skin-related die-off symptoms include rashes, itching, redness, increased sensitivity, acne breakouts, dryness, flaking, and worsening of pre-existing skin conditions like eczema, Hives, Psoriasis or Rosacea.
              https://www.drhagmeyer.com/common-die-off-symptoms/#:~:text=Common skin-related die-off,%2C Hives%2C Psoriasis or Rosacea.

              Isn't something in my diet contributing to the intake of toxins I always suspected milk because it changes my stool to pieces, and not a bristol chart 4 snake/log

              The toxins from a food should be expelled in the stool in a healthy body. Other than the persorption of starch, the only significant source of toxins will be from endotoxemia, which is the poop product of bacteria.

              https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2011/11/20/endotoxin-and-liver-health/

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                Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
                last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 12:43 AM

                @LetTheRedeemed So these toxins in all foods? Say even milk or orange juice, even the raw carrot?

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                  Samyo @yerrag
                  last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 2:09 AM

                  @yerrag said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                  @Samyo

                  Likely with a lot of toxins unable to come out fecally, your skin becomes an outlet for these toxins. It will give you allergies. Maybe @Kvirion's ,iirc) successful experience of using activated charcoal on the affected skin would help you.

                  I once had constipation similar to yours and was sure in my case it was something I ate in the form of pork not cooked well that gave me trichinosis.

                  I took a small amount of copper acetate and overnight the constipation was resolved.

                  Not sure if your cause is similar, but I was sure I wasn't deficient in magnesium.

                  Why do the toxins come out of the skin when i eat fiber though? and then stop coming out when I dont eat fiber?

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                    yerrag @Samyo
                    last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 2:26 AM

                    @Samyo

                    If you're dependent on fiber primarily to drive motility having no fiber makes it hard to defecate and the body will find other ways to excrete toxins

                    Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                    engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                    wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                    the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                      A Former User @LetTheRedeemed
                      last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 3:45 AM

                      @LetTheRedeemed oat bran has a ridiculous amount of silicon which Iiirc helps detox candida byproducts as well

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                        A Former User @A Former User
                        last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 3:47 AM

                        OP, maybe try boiled kale for bile absorption. it absorbs a ridiculous amount of bile. boil it in water and eat the leaves and drink the water.

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                          LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
                          last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 4:40 AM

                          @sneedful interesting. I know it helped me before I could use the carrot.

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                            LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
                            last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 4:41 AM

                            @Samyo no, the toxins are not in food, they are produced by the bacteria in your small intestine

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                              Mossy @LetTheRedeemed
                              last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 8:52 AM

                              @LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                              have you tried the oat bran with calcium carbonate?

                              Is this just a matter of supplementing calcium carbonate when you consume oat bran within a meal, or is this a more specific mixture, consisting of just these two ingredients?

                              "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                              "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                LucH @Mossy
                                last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 9:21 AM

                                @Mossy
                                IBS and fiber
                                If someone has IBS, he may find that bran is not something he tolerates well. Bran has a lot of insoluble fiber, which can make IBS symptoms worse. Oat bran contains rather much oxalate too. Oat flakes are ok and rich in calcium.
                                You should still try to get fiber in your diet, but you may find that focusing on sources of soluble fiber is a better option, adapting the amount and the frequency to what you tolerate.
                                I’d calm the irritation down first. When very sensible, EPS Melissa and curcumin.
                                EPS = Extrait de Plantes Standardisées (=> Plant extract liquid). Very soft approach for irritable bowels.

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                                  LetTheRedeemed @Mossy
                                  last edited by Nov 26, 2024, 6:23 PM

                                  @Mossy it was mostly to address the terrible cal/phos ratio in oat bran. It doesn’t have to be taken at the same time but I think it may contribute positively to flavor. Ray added milk.

                                  Ray simply implied to try it and see if you become more regular, if so it’s safely consumed daily for maybe a year. It can be an individual experience, so as I’m sure you know following symptoms is key.

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                                    Mossy @LetTheRedeemed
                                    last edited by Nov 27, 2024, 6:17 AM

                                    @LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                                    @Mossy it was mostly to address the terrible cal/phos ratio in oat bran. It doesn’t have to be taken at the same time but I think it may contribute positively to flavor. Ray added milk.

                                    Ray simply implied to try it and see if you become more regular, if so it’s safely consumed daily for maybe a year. It can be an individual experience, so as I’m sure you know following symptoms is key.

                                    Ah, ok, so just adding milk will cover the calcium needed. Appreciate the detail.

                                    "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                    "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                      Mossy @LucH
                                      last edited by Mossy Nov 27, 2024, 6:21 AM Nov 27, 2024, 6:19 AM

                                      @LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                                      @Mossy
                                      IBS and fiber
                                      If someone has IBS, he may find that bran is not something he tolerates well. Bran has a lot of insoluble fiber, which can make IBS symptoms worse. Oat bran contains rather much oxalate too. Oat flakes are ok and rich in calcium.
                                      You should still try to get fiber in your diet, but you may find that focusing on sources of soluble fiber is a better option, adapting the amount and the frequency to what you tolerate.
                                      I’d calm the irritation down first. When very sensible, EPS Melissa and curcumin.
                                      EPS = Extrait de Plantes Standardisées (=> Plant extract liquid). Very soft approach for irritable bowels.

                                      Indeed, I do find oat bran wreaks havoc on my gut. I make a homemade breakfast cereal, where the original recipe calls for oat bran, which I've eliminated.

                                      Thank you for the suggestions. Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?

                                      "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                      "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                        LucH @Mossy
                                        last edited by LucH Nov 27, 2024, 9:54 AM Nov 27, 2024, 8:04 AM

                                        @Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                                        Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?

                                        The don't have the same functions. Wait to get the whole stuff if money is a problem. But perhaps you don't need some of them.
                                        Enzymedica lipogold: Enzymes to help digestion, specially adapted for lipids, but not only.
                                        Betaine HCL: when protein digestion takes too long. + Help for light bloating. Once a day. This product optimizes the action of bile.
                                        Meat must the be eaten preferably at midday when bile secretion is optimal.
                                        EPS curcumin and EPS melissa:
                                        Required first to calm irritation down (IBS). The most important.
                                        Whenever no other drugs functions because of inflamed walls.
                                        Melissa has a brain action too (connection with stress and mental through vagus nerve).
                                        Curcumin has several functions: help and protect liver. Lay inflammation down (only tolerated when in liquid form because curcumin powder has small crystals).
                                        NB: Not so easy to find / buy. In a phytodrugstore or internet. Make a search with French words to see what it looks like.
                                        https://www.monherbo.fr/eps-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac/1117-eps-curcuma-pileje-phytoprevent-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac.html
                                        => Click on the name to see the functions. In French (translator needed).
                                        From labo Pileje.

                                        Note: to facilitate digestion, the rule 2/3 1/3 is advised.
                                        1/3 = a small portion. A small portion of protein when eating starch (potato, pasta).
                                        E.g. 2 eggs with pasta.
                                        No legumes since they contain anti-proteases (enzymes to digest proteins). Green peas and lentils are easier to digest when the digestion is OK. => Rice + peas or lentils = full spectrum of amino acids. Better to let lentils soak the day before, in water. Change the water to cook. No salt before the end of cooking (softer).

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                                          Mossy @LucH
                                          last edited by Nov 27, 2024, 9:50 AM

                                          @LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                                          @Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                                          Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?

                                          The don't have the same functions. Wait to get the whole stuff if money is a problem. But perhaps you don't need some of them.
                                          Enzymedica lipogold: Enzymes to help digestion, specially adapted for lipids, but not only.
                                          Betaine HCL: when protein digestion takes too long. + Help for light boating. Once a day. This product optimizes the action of bile.
                                          Meat must the be eaten preferably at midday when bile secretion is optimal.
                                          EPS curcumin and EPS melissa:
                                          Required first to calm irritation down (IBS). The most important.
                                          Whenever no other drugs functions because of inflamed walls.
                                          Melissa has a brain action too (connection with stress and mental through vagus nerve).
                                          Curcumin has several functions: help and protect liver. Lay inflammation down (only tolerated when in liquid form because curcumin powder has small crystals).
                                          NB: Not so easy to find / buy. In a phytodrugstore or internet. Make a search with French words to see what it looks like.
                                          https://www.monherbo.fr/eps-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac/1117-eps-curcuma-pileje-phytoprevent-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac.html
                                          => Click on the name to see the functions. In French (translator needed).
                                          From labo Pileje.

                                          Note: to facilitate digestion, the rule 2/3 1/3 is advised.
                                          1/3 = a small portion. A small portion of protein when eating starch (potato, pasta).
                                          E.g. 2 eggs with pasta.
                                          No legumes since they contain anti-proteases (enzymes to digest proteins). Green peas and lentils are easier to digest when the digestion is OK. => Rice + peas or lentils = full spectrum of amino acids. Better to let lentils soak the day before, in water. Change the water to cook. No salt before the end of cooking (softer).

                                          Always appreciate your detailed posts. Thank you.

                                          "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                          "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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