Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable
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@LetTheRedeemed So these toxins in all foods? Say even milk or orange juice, even the raw carrot?
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@yerrag said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
Likely with a lot of toxins unable to come out fecally, your skin becomes an outlet for these toxins. It will give you allergies. Maybe @Kvirion's ,iirc) successful experience of using activated charcoal on the affected skin would help you.
I once had constipation similar to yours and was sure in my case it was something I ate in the form of pork not cooked well that gave me trichinosis.
I took a small amount of copper acetate and overnight the constipation was resolved.
Not sure if your cause is similar, but I was sure I wasn't deficient in magnesium.
Why do the toxins come out of the skin when i eat fiber though? and then stop coming out when I dont eat fiber?
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If you're dependent on fiber primarily to drive motility having no fiber makes it hard to defecate and the body will find other ways to excrete toxins
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@LetTheRedeemed oat bran has a ridiculous amount of silicon which Iiirc helps detox candida byproducts as well
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OP, maybe try boiled kale for bile absorption. it absorbs a ridiculous amount of bile. boil it in water and eat the leaves and drink the water.
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@sneedful interesting. I know it helped me before I could use the carrot.
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@Samyo no, the toxins are not in food, they are produced by the bacteria in your small intestine
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
have you tried the oat bran with calcium carbonate?
Is this just a matter of supplementing calcium carbonate when you consume oat bran within a meal, or is this a more specific mixture, consisting of just these two ingredients?
"To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
"The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis -
@Mossy
IBS and fiber
If someone has IBS, he may find that bran is not something he tolerates well. Bran has a lot of insoluble fiber, which can make IBS symptoms worse. Oat bran contains rather much oxalate too. Oat flakes are ok and rich in calcium.
You should still try to get fiber in your diet, but you may find that focusing on sources of soluble fiber is a better option, adapting the amount and the frequency to what you tolerate.
I’d calm the irritation down first. When very sensible, EPS Melissa and curcumin.
EPS = Extrait de Plantes Standardisées (=> Plant extract liquid). Very soft approach for irritable bowels. -
@Mossy it was mostly to address the terrible cal/phos ratio in oat bran. It doesn’t have to be taken at the same time but I think it may contribute positively to flavor. Ray added milk.
Ray simply implied to try it and see if you become more regular, if so it’s safely consumed daily for maybe a year. It can be an individual experience, so as I’m sure you know following symptoms is key.
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@Mossy it was mostly to address the terrible cal/phos ratio in oat bran. It doesn’t have to be taken at the same time but I think it may contribute positively to flavor. Ray added milk.
Ray simply implied to try it and see if you become more regular, if so it’s safely consumed daily for maybe a year. It can be an individual experience, so as I’m sure you know following symptoms is key.
Ah, ok, so just adding milk will cover the calcium needed. Appreciate the detail.
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@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@Mossy
IBS and fiber
If someone has IBS, he may find that bran is not something he tolerates well. Bran has a lot of insoluble fiber, which can make IBS symptoms worse. Oat bran contains rather much oxalate too. Oat flakes are ok and rich in calcium.
You should still try to get fiber in your diet, but you may find that focusing on sources of soluble fiber is a better option, adapting the amount and the frequency to what you tolerate.
I’d calm the irritation down first. When very sensible, EPS Melissa and curcumin.
EPS = Extrait de Plantes Standardisées (=> Plant extract liquid). Very soft approach for irritable bowels.Indeed, I do find oat bran wreaks havoc on my gut. I make a homemade breakfast cereal, where the original recipe calls for oat bran, which I've eliminated.
Thank you for the suggestions. Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?
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@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?
The don't have the same functions. Wait to get the whole stuff if money is a problem. But perhaps you don't need some of them.
Enzymedica lipogold: Enzymes to help digestion, specially adapted for lipids, but not only.
Betaine HCL: when protein digestion takes too long. + Help for light bloating. Once a day. This product optimizes the action of bile.
Meat must the be eaten preferably at midday when bile secretion is optimal.
EPS curcumin and EPS melissa:
Required first to calm irritation down (IBS). The most important.
Whenever no other drugs functions because of inflamed walls.
Melissa has a brain action too (connection with stress and mental through vagus nerve).
Curcumin has several functions: help and protect liver. Lay inflammation down (only tolerated when in liquid form because curcumin powder has small crystals).
NB: Not so easy to find / buy. In a phytodrugstore or internet. Make a search with French words to see what it looks like.
https://www.monherbo.fr/eps-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac/1117-eps-curcuma-pileje-phytoprevent-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac.html
=> Click on the name to see the functions. In French (translator needed).
From labo Pileje.Note: to facilitate digestion, the rule 2/3 1/3 is advised.
1/3 = a small portion. A small portion of protein when eating starch (potato, pasta).
E.g. 2 eggs with pasta.
No legumes since they contain anti-proteases (enzymes to digest proteins). Green peas and lentils are easier to digest when the digestion is OK. => Rice + peas or lentils = full spectrum of amino acids. Better to let lentils soak the day before, in water. Change the water to cook. No salt before the end of cooking (softer). -
@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
Do you find these (EPS Melissa and curcumin) to be better than the previous supplements you've recommended (enzymedica lipogold, Betaine HCL) or in addition to?
The don't have the same functions. Wait to get the whole stuff if money is a problem. But perhaps you don't need some of them.
Enzymedica lipogold: Enzymes to help digestion, specially adapted for lipids, but not only.
Betaine HCL: when protein digestion takes too long. + Help for light boating. Once a day. This product optimizes the action of bile.
Meat must the be eaten preferably at midday when bile secretion is optimal.
EPS curcumin and EPS melissa:
Required first to calm irritation down (IBS). The most important.
Whenever no other drugs functions because of inflamed walls.
Melissa has a brain action too (connection with stress and mental through vagus nerve).
Curcumin has several functions: help and protect liver. Lay inflammation down (only tolerated when in liquid form because curcumin powder has small crystals).
NB: Not so easy to find / buy. In a phytodrugstore or internet. Make a search with French words to see what it looks like.
https://www.monherbo.fr/eps-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac/1117-eps-curcuma-pileje-phytoprevent-herboristerie-depuis-1942-nantes-eps-bourgeon-aromatherapie-plante-en-vrac.html
=> Click on the name to see the functions. In French (translator needed).
From labo Pileje.Note: to facilitate digestion, the rule 2/3 1/3 is advised.
1/3 = a small portion. A small portion of protein when eating starch (potato, pasta).
E.g. 2 eggs with pasta.
No legumes since they contain anti-proteases (enzymes to digest proteins). Green peas and lentils are easier to digest when the digestion is OK. => Rice + peas or lentils = full spectrum of amino acids. Better to let lentils soak the day before, in water. Change the water to cook. No salt before the end of cooking (softer).Always appreciate your detailed posts. Thank you.
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@Mossy found this:
Some studies show it just about negates the value of the milk you have with it, so you probably have to eat extra milk--more than you think--but two quarts of milk takes care of just about everything. — Ray Peat
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@Mossy
The oat bran, I read that a cup of the cooked stuff--it's fairly filling, so a cup is a big serving--it has only 88 calories, where regular oatmeal has maybe 250 or so for the same thing--so it does provide some carbohydrate, but it's strongly buffered by the presence of the higher fiber content. And studies in animals showed that over a long run, you might have to worry about some of the breakdown products of the soluble fibers that can have an estrogenic effect, but in the short run--up to a year or so--its effect is a matter of the bulk and acceleration of the intestine, so it has an anti-estrogen effect for people who have been re-absorbing the estrogen that their liver tries to excrete. — Ray Peat -
@LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
Elevated estrogen basically causes all skin conditions, and a quick google search yielded this:
Common skin-related die-off symptoms include rashes, itching, redness, increased sensitivity, acne breakouts, dryneStill no let up of redness, when i come out of the shower my has so much dead skin from the redness trying to heal
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@Samyo what were/are you doing?
honestly it warrants a consultation because the variables are so diffuse.
What I know of your symptoms seems to be pointing toward SIBO and poor liver function. I would keep looking for information regarding that.
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@LetTheRedeemed i do not think coffee and sugar is doing me any good?
Whats outside the peat realm that can help my liver ive exchausted the peat ways with no solution
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@Samyo coffee/sugar may not be good right now then. See how you feel with and without them.
I believe Ray said something like until you get the gut fixed, going after liver/thyroid won’t work well because you will have a continued source of estrogen and serotonin elevation via gut health, impacting liver/thyroid.
Things for liver include t3, aspirin, niacinamide, often in that order.
I’d strongly suggest doing a consultation with Danny Roddy. there’s not a lot he hasn’t seen, and has the experience of hundreds of consults, plus all Ray’s inputs from his consulting time.
He put me on the right track after 2 years floundering in my own efforts
