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      LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
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      @Samyo
      ”…more than fiber.”

      Ray did mention fiber for stool bulking, but the principle purpose of the carrot or oat bran in his diet was for keeping the gut cleaned via its antimicrobial and bile binding action, he didn’t eat it with each meal throughout the day, which one would do if they were trying to maintain stool bulk and motility.

      I learned about the metabolism’s impact on gut motility precisely from Ray. The whole “fiber makes the gut move” is normie science based on conditional truths (like if you’ve already got a decent metabolism + SIBO). I kept incorporating fibers including carrot, and kept stopping my gut up… it wasn’t until about a year on thyroid that now I can eat daily carrot without getting migraines and constipation.

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        Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
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        @LetTheRedeemed i was day 4 into this carrot salad, i cant take it anymore, my skin is destroyed, my forehead proper dry, skin barrerier now damaged

        I now have to eat a diet of eggs and milk for about a week get my skin back to where its best

        I have my eyebrows, im not cold, im full of energy. how can i be hypo?

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          Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
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          @LetTheRedeemed Even a probiotic greek yogurt makes my forehead dry and inflammed, starts with the itch...

          Coffee and white sugar seem to make my lower face red / inflammed/dry

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              LucH @Samyo
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              @Samyo said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

              i was day 4 into this carrot salad, i cant take it anymore, my skin is destroyed, my forehead proper dry, skin barrerier now damaged

              Were you eating a carrot salad more than once a day? Without making pause / a turn-around?

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                LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
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                @Samyo If any food is causing breakouts, that's generally textbook SIBO.

                The carrot can cause problems if you have slow motility. You could try one bite of plain carrot 30 minutes before each meal and see how you do.

                Carrot salad is functioning like an antibiotic, so a herx reaction is common for many (die-off symptoms).

                have you tried the oat bran with calcium carbonate? That's a softer means of bile-binding and antibiotic action, that Ray suggested. An even softer one is well boiled mushrooms (blended for max benefit; Danny Roddy has a simple recipe).

                One of Ray's principles is that one should stick with food that cause least irritation, and slowly introduce new foods, even if those foods are for helping heal the problem.

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                  Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
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                  @LetTheRedeemed Oatbran, carrot and mushrooms all cause dry red inflammed skin

                  My motility becomes slow from having zero fiber so these no other way to speed it up, cascara, magnesium dont help

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                    LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
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                    @Samyo sounds like die off

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                      LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
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                      @Samyo

                      I have my eyebrows, im not cold, im full of energy. how can i be hypo?

                      You can be hypo via adrenaline keeping your temps and pulse up -- this is not good for digestion and youth hormonal production.

                      The eyebrow symptom can be after long term hypometabolism, I wouldn't rely on that.

                      You could try the tendon response test as an aid.

                      Have you done any meetings with Danny Roddy or Jay Feldman?

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                        Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
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                        @LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                        @Samyo

                        I have my eyebrows, im not cold, im full of energy. how can i be hypo?

                        You can be hypo via adrenaline keeping your temps and pulse up -- this is not good for digestion and youth hormonal production.

                        The eyebrow symptom can be after long term hypometabolism, I wouldn't rely on that.

                        You could try the tendon response test as an aid.

                        Have you done any meetings with Danny Roddy or Jay Feldman?

                        When i drink alot of milk, im not adrenlised, im relaxed and warm. I know the thyroid warmth feeling and the warm/hot adrenalised feeling

                        How can a die off cause dry skin/inflammed skin?

                        Isn't something in my diet contributing to the intake of toxins I always suspected milk because it changes my stool to pieces, and not a bristol chart 4 snake/log

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                          LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
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                          @Samyo

                          When i drink alot of milk, im not adrenlised, im relaxed and warm. I know the thyroid warmth feeling and the warm/hot adrenalised feeling

                          I honestly wouldn't trust whether you feel warm/hot feelings as a final metric of how your metabolism is doing.

                          How can a die off cause dry skin/inflammed skin?

                          Elevated estrogen basically causes all skin conditions, and a quick google search yielded this:
                          Common skin-related die-off symptoms include rashes, itching, redness, increased sensitivity, acne breakouts, dryness, flaking, and worsening of pre-existing skin conditions like eczema, Hives, Psoriasis or Rosacea.
                          https://www.drhagmeyer.com/common-die-off-symptoms/#:~:text=Common skin-related die-off,%2C Hives%2C Psoriasis or Rosacea.

                          Isn't something in my diet contributing to the intake of toxins I always suspected milk because it changes my stool to pieces, and not a bristol chart 4 snake/log

                          The toxins from a food should be expelled in the stool in a healthy body. Other than the persorption of starch, the only significant source of toxins will be from endotoxemia, which is the poop product of bacteria.

                          https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2011/11/20/endotoxin-and-liver-health/

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                            Samyo @LetTheRedeemed
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                            @LetTheRedeemed So these toxins in all foods? Say even milk or orange juice, even the raw carrot?

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                              Samyo @yerrag
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                              @yerrag said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                              @Samyo

                              Likely with a lot of toxins unable to come out fecally, your skin becomes an outlet for these toxins. It will give you allergies. Maybe @Kvirion's ,iirc) successful experience of using activated charcoal on the affected skin would help you.

                              I once had constipation similar to yours and was sure in my case it was something I ate in the form of pork not cooked well that gave me trichinosis.

                              I took a small amount of copper acetate and overnight the constipation was resolved.

                              Not sure if your cause is similar, but I was sure I wasn't deficient in magnesium.

                              Why do the toxins come out of the skin when i eat fiber though? and then stop coming out when I dont eat fiber?

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                                yerrag @Samyo
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                                @Samyo

                                If you're dependent on fiber primarily to drive motility having no fiber makes it hard to defecate and the body will find other ways to excrete toxins

                                Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                  A Former User @LetTheRedeemed
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                                  @LetTheRedeemed oat bran has a ridiculous amount of silicon which Iiirc helps detox candida byproducts as well

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                                    A Former User @A Former User
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                                    OP, maybe try boiled kale for bile absorption. it absorbs a ridiculous amount of bile. boil it in water and eat the leaves and drink the water.

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                                      LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
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                                      @sneedful interesting. I know it helped me before I could use the carrot.

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                                        LetTheRedeemed @Samyo
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                                        @Samyo no, the toxins are not in food, they are produced by the bacteria in your small intestine

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                                          Mossy @LetTheRedeemed
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                                          @LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:

                                          have you tried the oat bran with calcium carbonate?

                                          Is this just a matter of supplementing calcium carbonate when you consume oat bran within a meal, or is this a more specific mixture, consisting of just these two ingredients?

                                          "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                          "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                            LucH @Mossy
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                                            @Mossy
                                            IBS and fiber
                                            If someone has IBS, he may find that bran is not something he tolerates well. Bran has a lot of insoluble fiber, which can make IBS symptoms worse. Oat bran contains rather much oxalate too. Oat flakes are ok and rich in calcium.
                                            You should still try to get fiber in your diet, but you may find that focusing on sources of soluble fiber is a better option, adapting the amount and the frequency to what you tolerate.
                                            I’d calm the irritation down first. When very sensible, EPS Melissa and curcumin.
                                            EPS = Extrait de Plantes Standardisées (=> Plant extract liquid). Very soft approach for irritable bowels.

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