Europe & Raw Milk
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Where do you, my Europeans on here, get your raw milk?
As it's not freely available in any stores aside from the smaller farm vendors, the only feasible option to me is to buy it through the vending machines, scattered over some cities.
I've however heard that this method is substandard most of the time and how the milk forms sediments inside, which increases the risk of thermoduric bacteria.Do you drink the milk as is from the bottle, do you heat it up at home to 70°C or do you boil it yourself?
I've found that I tolerate warm raw milk to a very good degree, leaving out the hormonal aspect out for now.Open to any suggestions or experiences.
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Which country are you in?
Getrawmilk.com is a good resource
In the UK I get mine from farmers markets or buy online and get it delivered
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@alpine-raspberry I think it's important to see what the cows look like, what they eat, what the farmer and his family look like too.
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@alpine-raspberry Sounds like you are Swiss, German or Austrian?
I get my raw milk from the nature shops (local health shop). I always buy the brand "Demeter Rohmilch". It tastes best and my gut has no problems with it.
Only issue: 3.90 Swiss Francs per liter.I saw those cows with my own eyes in Zürich. They have better live than me
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@Veronica said in Europe & Raw Milk:
Which country are you in?
Getrawmilk.com is a good resource
In the UK I get mine from farmers markets or buy online and get it delivered
I'll look into it, thanks. Otherwise I'll just continue with the vending machines.
I'm currently in southern Germany.
@SeroBass said in Europe & Raw Milk:
@alpine-raspberry Sounds like you are Swiss, German or Austrian?
I get my raw milk from the nature shops (local health shop). I always buy the brand "Demeter Rohmilch". It tastes best and my gut has no problems with it.
Only issue: 3.90 Swiss Francs per liter.I saw those cows with my own eyes in Zürich. They have better live than me
I saw good farms near Bern and generally Switzerland seems to be a leading country in this regard, I love the local produce at their quality too. Great stuff.
I bought cheese made with raw local milk frequently, noticed they did not cause any constipation nor gut issues. -
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Found raw milk in glass bottles at health food store in Zurich. All depends where you are. The Swiss are less ideological when it comes to health (see: vax requirements). Also in Zurich, John the Baker coffee shop uses raw milk in their coffee. Elite.
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the best way is to go to a local market and ask there who sells raw milk. they will hook you up with a local farmer and you will get freshest raw milk possible, in glass bottle. Local farmers in my country (in eu) usually don't sell in shops but just to local people, who come to them weekly for milk and yoghurts and eggs. Some also deliver. usually you won't get an official receipt for that and its cash only, often they don't even have the website. If it is in normal store, it is probably trash as it was sitting to long there(I tried once raw cow milk from Spar and it was randcid. never again)
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@peaty-runescape Thanks for your comment.
Just to specify, what does a "local market" in your country constitute?I will definitely try the direct approach. How do you / others in this thread prepare the raw milk?
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If you live in southern Bavaria, I wouldn't bother with raw milk. Demeter Bergbauernmilch (Berchtesgadener Land) is sold in homogenised in Pfand glass bottles and is the best milk I've ever had. A lot of farms in southern Bavaria also have Milchautomaten.
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Actually nevermind, forgot about Vorzugsmilch! Have you heard of it before? That's raw milk but subject to strict hygiene standards. This is the only brand I know of and its from the Allgäu region. It's available in many organic supermarkets.
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@djledda
I only knew about Vorzugsbutter, somehow it didn't click to me that there has to be a Vorzugsmilch as well.
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@alpine-raspberry i get mine from a cool farm that just loads up a van w fresh stuff and goes door to door delivering what u ordered i usually get 5L glass bottle n transfer it in 1L glass bottles before drinking
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@alpine-raspberry Glad to help! It's delicious, so enjoy.
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The food assembly is a collective that collects local farmers productions to consumers, 1x/week.
Otherwise, some organic supermarkets might have it but it is always more expensive and less reliable (sometimes out of stock, prices fluctuate a bit etc). The milk also sours quicker than from the food assembly supply.
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I wonder the same thing. I've never seen raw milk sold anywhere in Spain. I think it's illegal to sell raw milk here.
They do sell "fresh" milk in supermarkets, which is pasteurized at 74 °C for 15 seconds, while UHT milk is pasteurized at 130 °C for 5 seconds. -
@oliveoil Yeah it's illegal here! In other European countries it's not, but in Spain it barely exists. So we have the option between UHT and regular pasteurized milk (the one in the fridge), both are homogenized.
The best commercial milk I've had wasn't even raw milk (although this often tastes a lot better), but it was Dutch milk in a large chain supermarket. It had the name of the cow on it, and looking at the cream top it was not homogenized. Twitter user Click talked about how homogenization is more of a problem with cow's milk than the pasteurization.
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@CO3 I didn't know about non-homogenized milk. I'll read into it. Thanks!
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@oliveoil Nevertheless, UHT homogenized cow's milk is better than not having milk. Especially when it's skim, since the fats are more affected by both processes.
