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          @thyroidchor27 you don't need any test base with nandrolone, dbol or halotestin and probably lots of other steroids. the latter 2 orals won't even shut the user down appreciably in cycles.

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              pannacottas @A Former User
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              @sneedful Haven't tried it, could be too sedating... but i'm gonna experiment now you mention it

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                BeamsOfEnergy @pannacottas
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                @pannacottas what dosage do you use for pre workout? Oral or topical. Thanks

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                  pannacottas @BeamsOfEnergy
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                  @BeamsOfEnergy Most of the time 50mg.

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                    BeamsOfEnergy @pannacottas
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                    @pannacottas topical or oral? Thanks

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                      pannacottas @BeamsOfEnergy
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                      @BeamsOfEnergy I did both, i think oral was more immediate

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                        BeamsOfEnergy @pannacottas
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                        @pannacottas thank you

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                          been on 10 mg anavar and 6 mg enclo for 2 weeks, lifting feels amazing and recovery is much faster. noticed slight appetite suppression mayb cos overweight and fat is finally being mobilised from the cells due to anavars effect on cortisol and beta oxidation.

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                            the_black_jew @thyroidchor27
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                            @thyroidchor27 what's the enclo for

                            why not use dbol or halo

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                              thyroidchor27 @the_black_jew
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                              @the_black_jew reduce amount of suppression from the var

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                                BeamsOfEnergy @thyroidchor27
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                                @thyroidchor27 how you getting on with anavar?

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                                  A Former User @thyroidchor27
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                                  @thyroidchor27 dbol has little supression , only of testosterone but not lh fsh overall

                                  what is anavar effect on cortisol
                                  apparently dbol increases cortisol

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                                    alfredoolivas @A Former User
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                                    @sushi_is_cringe Testosterone falling is worse than LH and FSH falling. It is a sign that the gonads aren't working properly, whereas LH and FSH falling are simply a sign that the pituitary detects there is too many androgens.

                                    Anavar blocks cortisol receptor transcription, via activating the androgen receptor. Androgens in general are antagonistic to cortisol, via activating the androgen receptor. D-Bol is likely anti-catabolic too, despite increasing cortisol levels. Only trenbolone, and M-Tren, directly binds to and blocks the glucocorticoid receptor as far as I know.

                                    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15219414/

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                                      A Former User @alfredoolivas
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                                      @alfredoolivas hmmmm... interdasting.... I think the point is that dbol is easy to recover from cause lh fsh remains high. so no pct needed for 4-6 week cycles, just stop taking dbol. I imagine with enough pregnenolone recovery would be even easier.

                                      I am told dbol and halotestin are similar in this regard

                                      idk about anavar in this regard but I know it's not recommended because it can cause hair shedding.

                                      the hair safe steroids I am told of are nandrolone (especially deca because longer ester makes it more hair safe) , dbol, and halo. of those, I think I read that dbol and halo aren't really requiring pct.

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                                        @alfredoolivas Pretty sure that fluoxymesterone (Halotestin) increases cortisol fairly strongly despite being a strong androgen.

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                                          @thyroidchor27

                                          Maybe cyproheptadine could help you out if apetite remains an issue

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                                            alfredoolivas @A Former User
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                                            @sushi_is_cringe If you are interested in cycling D-Bol/methandienone, this study is helpful; it certainly seems possible to not have to do no PCT afterwards yes. However, in this study low doses of D-Bol were used.

                                            https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00365517709100649

                                            "The effects of a one-month course of treatment with a p͟o͟t͟e͟n͟t͟ anabolic steroid, methandienone (5 and 10 mg daily), and a very weak androgen and hormone precursor, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate (DHEAS, 20 and 40 mg daily) and placebo on plasma testosterone, LH and FSH levels, red cell volume and red cell 2,3-diphosphoglycerate (2,3-DPG) concentration in endurance sportsmen were studied using a double-blind test system. A highly significant decrease in mean plasma testosterone was observed after the 5 and 10 mg methandienone regimen (66 and 73%). Treatment with 40 mg of DHEAS decreased mean testosterone levels by 41% (not statistically significant). P͟r͟e͟-͟t͟e͟s͟t͟ ͟t͟e͟s͟t͟o͟s͟t͟e͟r͟o͟n͟e͟ ͟l͟e͟v͟e͟l͟s͟ ͟w͟e͟r͟e͟ ͟r͟e͟a͟t͟t͟a͟i͟n͟e͟d͟ ͟a͟b͟o͟u͟t͟ ͟1͟0͟ ͟d͟a͟y͟s͟ ͟a͟f͟t͟e͟r͟ ͟t͟h͟e͟ ͟e͟n͟d͟ ͟o͟f͟ ͟t͟h͟e͟ ͟t͟r͟e͟a͟t͟m͟e͟n͟t͟ ͟p͟e͟r͟i͟o͟d͟ ͟w͟i͟t͟h͟ ͟t͟h͟e͟ ͟h͟i͟g͟h͟e͟r͟ ͟d͟o͟s͟e͟s͟ ͟o͟f͟ ͟b͟o͟t͟h͟ ͟c͟o͟m͟p͟o͟u͟n͟d͟s͟, while 2–6 weeks afterwards a significant over-compensation in mean plasma testosterone levels was observed."

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