Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use
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Lots of interesting ideas on here.
I see some ray peat stuff on twitter but these forums are far more entertaining especially the posts in the noospehere.
but ive read practically every thread here.
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I think there is more signal here than noise. if people spent more time reading the many articles and books Ray has written, they would be asking more level 2 questions than level 1 questions.
I prefer level 2 questions.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
If you didn't read or listened or watched anything to get a basic idea about bioenergetics and just came here to learn the basics from discussions or by posting questions from tabula rasa (blank slate), those questions would be level 1.
If you didn't ever learn the basics, and then participate and then purport to impart opinions that show a lack of understanding of the basics, it dilutes the quality of the discussion. And if no one steps in to correct you, it shows the membership in general don't care that the forum quality is maintained, or that the membership in general is ignorant.
The best threads are those where informed opinions are given, and the exchanges are informative and parties learn from each other.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
I think there is more signal here than noise. if people spent more time reading the many articles and books Ray has written, they would be asking more level 2 questions than level 1 questions.
I prefer level 2 questions.
Very well put sir.
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@gg12 said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
people that dont use the internet much
TV replacement at a maximum.
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@yerrag good to know ill keep that in mind
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@gg12 I was thinking if you would like to start a series of discussions where each week we would pick a newsletter of his and dissect it. As each newsletter has its own focus on an aspect of Peatology, and Peat says things that needed some unpacking in order to be understood and internalized fully by the reader. When he was alive, I would email him to clarify. Now we have to tap the collective mind in this forum.
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@yerrag said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
start a series of discussions where each week
I'm for it, but a biweekly schedule would probably be more friendly timing for me
Love the idea of the collective mind!
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@Kvirion A biweekly sked works out pretty well. I wonder if there are more interested in this. It is going to need some commitment, as it is easy for people to drop out. But if we can keep it going and participation is strong, we can learn a lot from it. And the more we understand, the more we are likely to connect the dots more.
It also can help form a strong core of members that lend structure and energy to the forum, in a very Peaty sense
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I think a lot of people in this sphere just use twitter right now
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Twitter is for sound bites. Many in this sphere need more than sound bites. Which is why many subscribed to Peat's newsletters (to provide sound bites Peat was gracious enough to answer the simple questions from the old lady at the Herbal Doctor's program then).
There are short 6-month courses for technicians. And there are PhDs that take 7 years for the breadth and depth needed to be able to develop the insight into matters to synthesize from prior breakthroughs in the field to move forward on discoveries.
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Ironically I think the twitter crossover ran off some sweet and wonderful people who had been around Peat forever.
Jay Feldman, Danny Roddy, and Kyle Mamounis make some deep videos on YouTube.
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For sure. The pros or pro wannabes can leverage the use of social media to promote their stature and their services. They can write books, make podcasts and vlogs, and they can gain a following and some income opportunities and make it their career/vocation.
Many who don't have time nor interest in learning more deeply Peatology but want someone familiar with it to hold their hands in improving their health would want to go to their feeds.
But I personally feel that finding a balance between the demands of being an enabler of the spread of useful information risks not having enough time anymore to peek into unexplored and obscure crevices that lead to discoveries. What happens is they go into recursive patterns of affirmation that may exalt them but not necessarily make them on the leading and cutting edge of the field. This is the classic dilemma of being a conventional doctor, who has long stopped learning new tricks, as old dogs do, but are more popular than ever given that their patients don't know any better than recommend the familiar to their friends and colleagues.
You might ask why Peat chose the relative obscurity of writing newsletters instead of other more lucrative sources of income. He could have chosen for be a $400/hr health coach. Speaking of high fee coaches, do they really give value for the services they give, when looking at them they don't exactly exude an aura of health, and when they do, d?o they really project that aura without going to body shops to have fillers and a makeover? Just goes to show there is a lot of unknown we are dealing with, and no doctor or coach can help more than what one can on himself by being on that journey of discovery himself.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
But I personally feel that finding a balance between the demands of being an enabler of the spread of useful information risks not having enough time anymore to peek into unexplored and obscure crevices that lead to discoveries.
Yeah, well said. This is the Think part to Perceive and Act.
People on Twitter/X seem to have decent knowledge, but they seem to forget that learning is social and is in many aspects forged in creative dialogue...
Ray mentioned many times that one of his aims in publishing newsletters was also a way to get creative/constructive critique/feedback.BTW I miss creative discussions with Haidut on the old forum or podcasts - it looks like he temporarily withdrew from online activity...
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I am definitely in a deficiency of Haidut rabbit holes. Does seem like BE output is low online lately. Seems like consciousness is kind of low in general in my neck of the woods. Winter? What ever happened to Tim Burzins? I loved his YouTube vids. Mike Fave is crushing it in youtube. I definitely recommend him for dialing in the basics. Anabology seems rad but only one vid. T3 uncoupled is the best writer in my book. On Substack. Danny is great but seems burnt out? Idk! Love that guy but he has a love hate relationship with being a content creator.
I’ve also heard that 75~85% of the internet is just bots and ai talkings to itself…
I would love to meet human beings for coffee and cheese and high level discussion of how to end digital culture and demilitarize society.
And how to grow more fruit trees. I got a few people in my real world to bounce off ideas with thank god. But I need a Peat Gang. Pronto. Si? -
@dapose
A lot is happening now geopolitically, or maybe it's just winter...
Or are people waiting for RFK Jr. to step in?
Or maybe it is a kind of hard time after Ray's death - some of his ideas are spreading in the wild but not always in ways Ray would like... The old forum collapsed badly, and maybe some of the enthusiasm has died down...
Also, the beef between Danny and Haidut was pretty destructive...Moreover, digital culture and the military-industrial complex are pushing hard to prevail.
I’ve also heard that 75~85% of the internet is just bots and ai talkings to itself…
For sure, but probably the percentage is a bit lower (I hope)
I would love to meet human beings for coffee and cheese and high level discussion of how to end digital culture and demilitarize society.
And how to grow more fruit trees. I got a few people in my real world to bounce off ideas with thank god. But I need a Peat Gang.It would be great, but we would probably need to invent teleportation portals for that...
Since we are probably spread geographically all over the world...A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.
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@Kvirion said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
@dapose
A lot is happening now geopolitically, or maybe it's just winter...
Or are people waiting for RFK Jr. to step in?
Or maybe it is a kind of hard time after Ray's death - some of his ideas are spreading in the wild but not always in ways Ray would like... The old forum collapsed badly, and maybe some of the enthusiasm has died down...
Also, the beef between Danny and Haidut was pretty destructive...That whole collapse of a partnership situation did not feel organic to me. I still listen to most old GE podcast all the time, as I’ve come to learn more and more I hear things in them that I didn’t understand the first time. I truly think somehow that was orchestrated to separate those two minds and crash the podcast. I wish them both well and good health.
Moreover, digital culture and the military-industrial complex are pushing hard to prevail.
I’ve also heard that 75~85% of the internet is just bots and ai talkings to itself…
For sure, but probably the percentage is a bit lower (I hope)
I would love to meet human beings for coffee and cheese and high level discussion of how to end digital culture and demilitarize society.
And how to grow more fruit trees. I got a few people in my real world to bounce off ideas with thank god. But I need a Peat Gang.It would be great, but we would probably need to invent teleportation portals for that...
Since we are probably spread geographically all over the world...I appreciate everything you wrote. Thanks for engaging with this! I think somehow we all need to start meeting up in our dreams. Like the aboriginals did in Australia!! They use to have Dreamtime where they all hung out in their dreams together!
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@dapose said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
I’ve also heard that 75~85% of the internet is just bots and ai talkings to itself…
I would love to meet human beings for coffee and cheese and high level discussion of how to end digital culture and demilitarize society.
And how to grow more fruit trees. I got a few people in my real world to bounce off ideas with thank god. But I need a Peat Gang. Pronto. Si?I'm just assuming I'm not talking to a computer / AI, but yes, you're right. Dead internet is apparent. This new great admin I think is pulling some wool over the algos' eyes.
On fruit trees - have you seen The Wicker Man? An island in Scotland founded by a radical scientist who revives paganism and - hint - fruit trees. Sounds eerily reminiscent of the Soviet citrus program in Georgia. When the crop inevitably fails their folk ideology requires human sacrifice. All these off-grid ideas seemingly lead to variations of The Lottery / Girard-ian Scapegoating / Wicker Man / Lord of the Flies situations. One of the most disturbing things about the movie is that both systems are at peace: the pagan village has a worthy sacrifice, and the truly devout Christian becomes a martyr.
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@Kvirion why do Danny and haidut have beef?
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@gg12 said in Forum seems kinda dead... What other forums do you guys use:
@Kvirion why do Danny and haidut have beef?
Haidut was on Mercola's podcast and Mercola badmouthed Dr. Peat's Progest-E product. Danny took it personally and cut ties with haidut. That's the short version. Maybe there's more to it.
It was a good podcast [Edit: Generative Energy, not the Mercola one]. Too bad it ended because of such bs.
