Does tanning age you even in an absence of seed oils?
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https://twitter.com/NoahRyanCo/status/1752776992322179503
Just saw this tweet and can't help but feel like he looked better in the before, more youthful, just looks white, and not in a sickly pale way. I feel like the logical conclusion of excessive tanning and lifting weights is heavy aging. Obviously SolBrah and other influencers push this idea that tanning all day is good and that any sun damage is the fault of seed oil consumption. Perhaps tanning just makes you look old, as I for the life of me can't place an age to SolBrah's face reveal, to me he looks old.
I've never been a big fan of the tanning trend that normie women/sometimes men partake in, think Jersey Shore, it seems like an insecurity of being white and I think there's something beautiful about being snow white, especially with blue eyes. I'd like to hear your thoughts on tanning aesthetic wise, health wise, and of course aging wise.
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@Sugar I feel like men who desire to be more on the pretty side and youthful will avoid twink death (oxidative stress) longer than those obsessed with the gym, tanning, and being ultra manly. Of course there's desire in being either, but the tan muscular and masculine side seems like it's okay with sacrificing their body to oxidative stress for an image. I feel like there's a limit to sun exposure that these clowns like SolBrah ignore simply because "no seed oils". I notice a lot of these "intuition" types disregard logic.
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I think tanning in the way you are talking about is a good example of Goodhart's Law:
“When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.”Sunlight is good for us, but setting out with an explicit goal of tanning kind of ruins the fun, turns it from something that happens while enjoying yourself in good conditions into something boring.
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@GuantanamO-Shea I understand your perspective. Can be boring and pointless. It can also be hard to limit and fine tune it like what I'm talking about depending on your climate. It's weird when people that talk so much about white people like SolBrah does (post Elon Musk of course, can't risk getting banned) are obsessed with tanning to the point where you look brown. Meaningless worship of bodybuilding culture while disregarding beauty.
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@Sugar What do you mean 'in the absence of seed oils'? Seed oils are irrelevant. It's about the fats that they contain.
Pretending you said 'PUFA' for a minute, the answer is likely yes. Just because you don't eat PUFA doesn't mean they're magically not in your body anymore. And then, even without them you will get superficial aging, except maybe in the absolutely perfect environment. But the 'aging' like i said is highly superficial anyway.
If you care more about a few wrinkles than your overall health obviously your priorities are messed up
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@CO3 No disrespect, but you post the darkest of coal on X so I ask that you don't reply to me anymore.
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@Sugar Really, no one takes the opinions of people like you seriously. Idiots who jump on the bandwagon and have no idea about Ray's work will be left behind. I can't even imagine a single sentence of his writings even penetrates your retard Yank brain
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Ray describes tanning as a reaction to injury here, it’s in the context of melanoma but he relates the two. Not being able to tan is related to Vitamin D deficiency though.
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Whenever regeneration doesn't compensate for the damage, aging will occur, so what you said is possible. That's exactly why there are those who say that watching the sunrise and sunset compensates for the damage of the sun in the afternoon, since the presence of infrared is greater and UV is lower.
Saying that it's just a matter of eliminating seed oils (meaning PUFA) from the diet is wrong, eliminating them from the body takes years and is only one of the influencing factors. SolBrah eliminates "seed oils" but constantly eats foods rich in iron, like raw liver for example
"In the skin, excess iron combined with UV radiation exerts pro-oxidant effects while scavenging of free iron prevents or inhibits the toxic effects of UV radiation on both nude mice and human skin. In this review, we propose that iron chelators and/or iron deprivation might play a significant role in the prevention of aging- associated diseases and conditions, in particular in the skin, and increase quality of life."
Peat's advice on eliminating PUFA and reducing iron intake offers greater protection than just "eliminating seed oils makes you immune".
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As we age our skin loses cholesterol and we wrinkle when we tan. People who spend a lot of time in the sun often are very wrinkled for this reason. I find that using some lanolin on my skin helps replenish the cholesterol. I apply it at night. Lanolin is very high in cholesterol.
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@CO3 All I'm reading is "coal coal coal coal coal"
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Does tanning age you even in an absence of seed oils?:
As we age our skin loses cholesterol
I wonder why that is and if it's inevitable
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@Hando-Jin it’s the conversion of cholesterol to vitamin D precursors from UV light. Supplying cholesterol or cholesterol precursors to the skin can help replete it.
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@sphenoid said in Does tanning age you even in an absence of seed oils?:
@Hando-Jin it’s the conversion of cholesterol to vitamin D precursors from UV light. Supplying cholesterol or cholesterol precursors to the skin can help replete it.
What depletes it though? Is it an inevitable old age thing
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@Hando-Jin the process of UV light turning the cholesterol in the skin into the precursor to vitamin D. Too much UV and not enough cholesterol synthesis in the skin will eventually deplete it.
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@sphenoid said in Does tanning age you even in an absence of seed oils?:
@Hando-Jin the process of UV light turning the cholesterol in the skin into the precursor to vitamin D. Too much UV and not enough cholesterol synthesis in the skin will eventually deplete it.
Why not enough cholesterol synthesis is what I'm trying to understand. Has anybody answered that? I heard Ray say it was just down to age.
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I think so. It's obvious to me that excess UV is harmful even when you are more resilient. (low PUFA) 15 minutes is all your skin needs to produce max Vitamin D if i remember correctly, more than that and you're just cooking yourself for no reason. Can still get lots of healthy sun in the morning though when there's minimal UV in the sunlight.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster that's really interesting.
weird question - if i put lanolin on before sunbathing, i think i would absorb more Vitamin D? As far as I can tell that's how sheep get vitamin d, they secrete lanolin which gets into their wool, the sun hits the lanolin and turns it to vitamin d, then as far as I can understand the vitamin d absorbs back into the wool and into the sheep from there? Sheep don't really groom themselves much so they're probably not licking their wool and ingesting that vitamin d lanolin that way.
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@insufferable For that matter, I guess I would get Vitamin D just from putting lanolin on my skin, even without getting any sun myself. Since the lanolin was already exposed to the sun and thus filled with Vitamin D, back when it was still on the sheep!
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Tanning makes you look younger and virile. Look at David Gandy, when he is back to his pinkoid self he looks like a retard. When tanned to Med colouring light brown he mogs. Yes he aged like shit but that was because he was always hypothyroid, his thinning eyebrows were a giveaway. He had them since 20