How simple are people?
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@TayaLeaf least materialist MIT graduate
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@Peatful with all my respect and admiration to you peat and his work where is the soul stored, where can one find it.
"One has to have a open mind but not open enough for birds to shit in it"
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Can you imagine it being possible to answer that with coded materialism in some time. Can you imagine there's science left undone.
Surely. You're sat at or holding a terminal to look at in plane liquid crystals under applied electrical field.
If the word "soul" makes you uncomfortable you can call it something else. Someone else already did on this forum.
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The Human brain can process an exaflop of floating point calculations per second with a power consumption of 20 watts. How many floating point calculations can your hand held calculator perform?
The most powerful supercomputers in the world can just barely perform an exaflop of floating point calculations per second, while requiring 21 megawatts of power.
So, no. Our brain is by far the most incredible object in the known universe as regards information processing. There is nothing that even comes close.
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@jamezb46 I agree with your high regard for the human mind and that it far exceeds algorithmic Boolean logic (for many important matters of judgment) and processing power per energy input. Might you be willing to post citations for the exaflop comparisons you gave?
I would only note that these exaflop comparisons are merely a point of departure. Many further comparisons could be made suggesting domains in which the human mind excels.
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Sir Roger Penrose (Nobel Prize winner) claims that the human brain uses quantum effects to work effectively.
BTW https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer
Scientists who explain the brain/mind very well are, for example, Inês Hipólito and Andy Clark.
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Percent probability estimate that Animal Consciousness is the subconscious of humans
All things considered:
Area of assessmentAssessment
Neurological structure
~95%
Behavioral parallels
~90%
Similarities in emotion management
~85%
Cognitive analysis
~60%
Philosophical congruence (at the conceptual level)
~70%
Overall probability:
Approximately 85-90% probability that the human unconscious is functionally equivalent to the consciousness of most animals (especially mammals).The consciousness of animals often works in the same way as the unconscious mind of humans: it does not analyse or reflect, but feels, reacts, remembers and acts. Animals can be said to inhabit areas of the psyche that are hidden from us.
General arguments why the unconscious ≈ animal consciousness:
Raw emotions, instincts, motives:
The human unconscious is the part of the psyche that controls basic behaviour.
The animal consciousness is also limited to this - reacting, without deep reflection.
Common areas of the brain:
Limbic system, amygdala, hippocampus - function similarly in all mammals and determine emotions and motivation.
These are subconscious areas in humans and “conscious” centres in animals.
Evolutionary logic:
The human brain evolved from the animal brain. What is unconscious in humans is an inherited layer from animal consciousness.
This is not an absolute fact, but an analytical interpretation based on modern neuroscientific, evolutionary and psychological data. From a philosophical point of view, there may be other interpretations.
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I am still waiting for the evidence that people have a divine spark. I just cant find any...
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Practically, one can calculate the efficiency of persons working mind by giving intellectual tests. i live for years watching the inefficiency of individual people. We highly rely on the traditions/achievements of other people. We basically are monkeys with smart phones in the hand.
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@Kvirion look to evidence: we can hardly manage to raise 2 offsprings nowdays. You call it quantum IQ? Animals raise more offsprings if needed.
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@Peatful could you give practical evidence? maybe something that exceeds animal behavior? or chose yourself. because I am tired of this trauma transfer/mystical superiority about some higher power which makes us humans special or losers depending on context . When somebody feels such a loser that has to invent stories that he has some higher powers then animals. I better agree with Indians, who said animals were just like humans. Divine is often just the power of nature. The power exist, it works, but it does not involve people more then animals.
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Universe: Endless Variation Within Constraints
Like a kaleidoscope reconfigures a finite set of pieces into infinite patterns, the universe rearranges matter and energy within the constraints of physical laws to create endless diversity — stars, planets, life, consciousness.
Illusion vs. Reality
A kaleidoscope produces beautiful illusions from mirror reflections. Likewise, some philosophers and physicists argue that our experience of reality might be a kind of projection or emergent phenomenon — think simulation theory, holographic principle, or even Plato's cave. -
@TayaLeaf said in How simple are people?:
@Kvirion look to evidence: we can hardly manage to raise 2 offsprings nowdays. You call it quantum IQ? Animals raise more offsprings if needed.
LOL! Reread my post. Quantum just means: we are not a linear computer... nothing more.
BTW, most probably the same/similar quantum effects can also be found in animals or even plants/fungi...I am still waiting for the evidence that people have a divine spark. I just cant find any...
Yep, they don't... As below so above...
https://www.noemamag.com/a-radical-new-proposal-for-how-mind-emerges-from-matter/
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@TayaLeaf said in How simple are people?:
I am still waiting for the evidence that people have a divine spark.
It's right under your nose and above your liver actually. Currently as a dim as your wit.
I just cant find any.
Of course not, you can't interpret a painting.
Assistance is on the way. Your probable aversion to it will be a new form of entertainment.
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@TayaLeaf said in How simple are people?:
@Peatful could you give practical evidence? maybe something that exceeds animal behavior? or chose yourself. because I am tired of this trauma transfer/mystical superiority about some higher power which makes us humans special or losers depending on context . When somebody feels such a loser that has to invent stories that he has some higher powers then animals. I better agree with Indians, who said animals were just like humans. Divine is often just the power of nature. The power exist, it works, but it does not involve people more then animals.
Chat GPT
Universe: Endless Variation Within Constraints
Like a kaleidoscope reconfigures a finite set of pieces into infinite patterns, the universe rearranges matter and energy within the constraints of physical laws to create endless diversity — stars, planets, life, consciousness.
Illusion vs. Reality
A kaleidoscope produces beautiful illusions from mirror reflections. Likewise, some philosophers and physicists argue that our experience of reality might be a kind of projection or emergent phenomenon — think simulation theory, holographic principle, or even Plato's cave.You speak for many people…
The answer isn’t an understanding
It’s a knowingI can’t prove anything to you
That’s it’s antithesisIf you really want to know
Earnestly ask God
He will show you
