Make Carrier Oils MCT again
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@jamezb46 This is just marketing. It is very insignificant. No evidence to support any of their claims, especially, given the ridicously smal injection sizes given very infrequently.
Carrier oil are composed of 15-30% benzyl benzoate and 1-2% benzyl alcohol.
I heard marek health prescribes TRT in doses of at most 150mg a week. Test Enanthate & Cypionate, is formulated at 250mg/ml.
So at most these people are being injected with 0.6ml of oil a week.
That meaans excluding for the BA and BB AND the testosterone enanthate (150 to 100mg a week), from by experience the testosterone has a denisty the same as oil, they are being injected between 0.4ml and 0.3ml of a seed oil a week, which comes out to 0.057ml, worst case scenario, to 0.044ml a day, best case scenario.
It's a pointless thing to care about.
If you are a bodybuilder and injecting multiple CCs of gear a day, sure this might be something to care about. MCT oil is also really thin and easy to inject large quantities of oil into yourself with. But for those injecting milligrams of oil a day? It doesn't matter. Redirect your attention to benzyl benzoate, who knows what interactions that solvent has on our body.
Furthermore, MCT oil will create an injection depot, that will enter the blood stream extremely fast - reducing the half life of the gear you inject and create bigger swings up and down.
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@alfredoolivas also olive the guy from rpf who works at marek also poo poos the idea of EFA not being essential so its funny to see them posting that the advantage of removing seed oils heh
it is just opportunistic marketing
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@eduardo-crispino yeah, well at least it’s not a harmful thing to market lol. I’m waiting for one of these clinics to use fish oil as a carrier oil
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I frequently read that "testosterone is oil-soluble" but so far nobody has demonstrated that as far as I can see. There always needs to be a solvent that is no-good dirty rotten.
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@Crypt-Keeper many test esters are oil soluble at decent concentrations. nobody sells them as injectables that way because customer will just buy the higher concentration one with added more solvents
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@eduardo-crispino What kind of concentration are we talking about? I have plenty of oil and test powder to experiment with.
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@Crypt-Keeper test propionate is 50mg per ml of oil according to chemical websites.
Test acetate probably would follow the same solubilities
Test enanthate and cypionate is soluble at 125mg per ml of oil I would estimate given it is usually formulated at 2.5x the concentration
Test decanoate would probably dissolve at 200mg per ml of oil
Test base probably would dissolve at 1mg per ml of oil.
In vitamin E, I would estimate test base to dissolve at 200mg per ml of oil, given my experiments with dissolving progesterone, DHEA and exemestane in tocopherol and talking to someone dissolving high concentrations of DHT in tocopherol
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@Crypt-Keeper pretty sure ive dissolved t cyp @ 50 or 100mg ml olive oil
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Hasn’t the ideal carrier s always been tocopherols mct (and may be olive oil)? At least for peatites
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@16charactersitis Show me the peater who is injecting themselves with homebrewed tocopherol + mct based steroid injections. PM is open
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@16charactersitis you can’t draw tocopherol from a vial and inject it easily as it’s so viscous. If you want to do this, I imagine you will have to inject with a 20-21g needle which is so painful. The post injection pain will be awful.
Thirdly, no one knows the solubility of esterfied steroids in tocopherol.
Fourthly, if you are injecting large amounts of steroids, it’s easy to overdo. For example, a 600mg test cycle will mean you will be injecting around 2 grams of tocopherol a week. Given the oral route has around a 60% bioavailability I think, this means that you will be injecting an oral equivalent dose of like nearly 4 grams of tocopherol a week. This is around 800IU a day. That’s adding a large dose of a supplement to your stack which can change things and be potentially problematic.
For example last summer I was taking 300mg of DHEA and 300mg of progesterone a day in tocopherols, which was dissolved in 3725IU of mixed tocopherols. I was taking in 3725IU of tocopherol a DAY to be able to take large doses of these hormones. Luckily I had no bad reactions but that’s insane dosing that I imagine can be problematic.
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mitolipin is actually a pretty decent carrier for low dose hormones, if the user can handle like 200-400mg of choline a day. that form of choline actually can enhance absorption of substances dissolved in the vitamin E with it as well, I've read.
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@jamezb46 I plan to inject progesterone dissolved in tocopherols this summer. In small doses.
Tocopherol is an amazing solvent for non esterfied steroids. Using benzyl benzoate as a solvent doesn’t work, the solution crashes and you can only dissolve very small amounts of progesterone in it despite it.
Secondly, tocopherol injections have shown to create a depot, that slowly enters the blood stream - in animals, tocopherol injections create a peak in tocopherol blood concentrations 12 hours after injection ! So I can have a slow releasing stream of hormones.
I want to inject progesterone to bypass liver metabolism and to slowly release hormones in my system. Progesterone and other non esterfied steroids have a very short half life
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@eduardo-crispino yes but it’s a shame it costs 40 dollars for 30ml.
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@alfredoolivas There is probably another way to make a chemical like tocopherol that can dissolve alot of unesterified steroids but with a much higher tolerability. If P4 can dissolve at 200mg/mL in tocopherols, and you inject 1mL, that's about a gram of tocopherols, which is alot.
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@jamezb46 yes… the bodybuilding world hasn’t figured this out either as they use propylene glycol, guiacol, ethyl oleate or benzyl benzoate (all of which are inflammatory) and can only create solutions that are 10% testosterone base and cause crippling post infection pain.
I only plan to inject around 8-20mg of progesterone for the reason you mentioned, because I do not want to add in large amounts of tocopherol.
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@alfredoolivas Alright bro here's the plan: I'm gonna synthesize the carrier oil that can dissolve huge amounts of base hormones and create a depot. Then you buy about 100 kilograms of testosterone and 10 kg of DHT and we will dominate the industry by making 1:4 ratio of DHT:T (unesterified) in this mystery solvent (haha, like that will ever happen), but it's nice to imagine,eh
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@jamezb46 maybe a synthetic variant of tocopherol that is not biologically active could work. Similar to the synthetic tocopherol isomers that are less active
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@alfredoolivas said:
maybe a synthetic variant of tocopherol that is not biologically active could work. Similar to the synthetic tocopherol isomers that are less active
As in simply the S/L (+) enantiomer of alpha-tocopherol perhaps? Nobody should want that anyway you may be able to buy that up as garbage from separatation of synthetic, racemic DL-tocopherol.
Maybe a 2/3 S-, 1/3 R-tocopherol ratio will be already totally useless and balance each other close to neutral.Or an isomer as in pure beta-tocotrienol? R or all-rac.
Probably reducing the length of the phytol side chain severely takes away the solubility along with activity.
On the other hand better just forgo the idea of dissolving pure base and go for cyp or whatever so you should not need 100% vitamin E to gain sufficient solubility. Maybe 30% or 50% in MCT will be right. Maybe add in a max. of 3% DMSO.
@jamezb46 said:
Then you buy about 100 kilograms of testosterone and 10 kg of DHT and we will dominate the industry by making 1:4 ratio of DHT:T (unesterified)
+- 35,000 USD. Go for it!
