My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression
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@random i used to but now looking back it sounds crazy , not optimal
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@Androsclerozat said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@random i used to but now looking back it sounds crazy , not optimal
You feel worst than starch from it?
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@tubert said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@Androsclerozat Are you eating the peels as well? If so, that may be the problem. In Germany we never eat the peels, except with the spring potatoes where the peel is very thin (and most likely contains no solanine). As a food scientist, I can tell you another problem may be that you are not buying organic potatoes because conventional potatoes have one of the most heaviest pesticide loads (conventional strawberries is another one).
Mmmh i saw the difference between conventional and organic. I live in Netherlands right now and I can see a huuge difference in taste and texture, I pay almost 2 euros per kg, and i peel them all the time
In both cases acetylcholine is felt heavily
Of course, a meal of potatoes could be good especially if you plan going out with friends, talking would be so easy
i remember one time i went to this couples house, last meal being rice with butter.. man i couldnt form sentences without losing words
next time i ate potatoes with butter... i became the social butterfly.. it felt so easy to talk, but its true that your social status decreases a bit.. maybe from the outside cant be seen, but inside you feel that if someone makes an offensive joke, your ability to fight back would be dimished and you may not even realise that he laughed at you.. Acetylcholine indeed decreases dopamine D2 and increases the rest of receptors.. Same experience happened with vitamin B1, but with an extra side effect.. -
@Cicero maybe you crave them because you are eating them.. somehow it increased my stomach acid till the point of having no bloating, but the craving of potatoes was immense.
if u give them up, u wont feel the need to eat them again
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Re: My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression
LoL Guessing that the only people able to pull off a mainly potato diet nowadays, are those who haven’t seriously damaged their gut linings. which at this point would be fewer and fewer of us, given the ever increasing number of dietetic environmental and parenteral precipices encountered by the average citizen -
@Androsclerozat you still eat potato? In my expérience using"..." Exept for "...etc" is driven by suboptimal mental clarity and ability to express clearly what you think/feel or suboptimal clarity and ability to express clearly what you think/feel with out doubting that you are clear. diet can contribute
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@random writing ... makes me less logical, it stops the enumeration thought and helps me move on to the next idea and not get lost into details
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@random somehow it could be also a lack of ideas only if its written with excellent punctuation and grammar like in a way that you fear of breaking the rules
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@Androsclerozat said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@random writing ... makes me less logical, it stops the enumeration thought and helps me move on to the next idea and not get lost into details
Possible, yet it let others assume what you mean or the feeling you're trying to convey, and that can reduce understanding, I suggest it's better for the person to use the words that best correspond to what they think/feel rather than "..." for optimal understanding
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Update:
I will be stopping nightshades for the foreseeable future - it just doesn't feel right eating them.
Just a few days off of potatoes and I am able to relax more, feeling emotions and enjoying music like I did as a kid. I am usually obsessed with working/being productive but I feel more mellowed out now
The main reason for stopping though was to see if it can help with my stiff achy shoulders and back. We will have to see if that happens or not, dr Norman f childers recommended at least a couple of months off the nightshades. The improved mental state is nice
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@Korven said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
stiff achy shoulders and back.
How is this tied to nightshades?
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@Corngold said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@Korven said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
stiff achy shoulders and back.
How is this tied to nightshades?
I will just quote what was already said before :
All nightshades are anywhere from agrivating to poisonous. Nightshades are among the top causes of inflammatory diseases.
Just because you don't immediately feel negative effects from well cooked potatoes, doesn't mean it's not there.
I think the tropical alternative, the white flesh sweet potato is a safer food. -
@Corngold I believe Dr Norman Childers was the first one to make the connection between nightshades vegetables and arthritis, he wrote the book "Arthritis-Childers' Diet That Stops It!" in the 70s. I can't find the book but apparently he collected anecdotes from 1000s of people that got better on the diet.
As for the exact mechanisms why it causes arthritis in some individuals, I can't say for sure. It probably has to do with the glycoalkaloid poisons like solanine. I read somewhere that excessive parasympathetic nerve activation can make it difficult for muscles to relax, leading to trigger points/muscle knots (solanine being a cholinesterase inhibitor).
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@Korven interesting however I think potato and tomato are very good and I've never had issues I can tie to this food group.
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How do you feel when eating färskpotatis? I usually tolerate them better with heaps of butter and salt.
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Drinking tahiti lemon juice balances things out for me. Makes eating potatoes less likely to develop into depression/sadness/suicidal.
I think there's more to explore in this combination.
Potatoes and tahiti lemon juice -
"Ray,
You have said in interviews that you think it's good to avoid starch, but you've also said that potatoes are nearly a perfect food. I know you think it's good to eat some butter with starch but you've also said that you think too much butter can be fattening and you also like low fat or skim milk. So if one was to get a lot of daily calories from potatoes with no butter added, is the starch from the potato still likely to contribute to soft tissue or lymph damage from starch particles or is that only of concern from flour products, that is, starch consumed from flour products, which are usually consumed with the polyunsaturated fats."
RE:"I think potato starch is likely to cause some cumulative damage if it isn’t eaten with some fat. I don’t eat potatoes, both because of the starch and their allergenicity. As a cheap source of nourishment, they are far better than the beans and rice that are often recommended for cheap protein and calories. When the starch is removed, the cooked liquid can be used as a protein supplement for people with special metabolic problems."
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One could make a potato salad with well-boiled potatoes, lemon and vinegar, and herbs.
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@Korven good call. I think its worth it to stay away. I've gone back in forth and whenever I eat after abstaining my sleep suffers and something just feels extremely "off". Same goes for tobacco. I love smoking but it just does something like causes a strange paranoia and lingering feeling of impending doom.
Have you ever noticed your parents or siblings deal with similar symptoms you do when consuming nightshades? My dad deals with nightmares and chronic insomnia and consumes copious amounts of potatoes, tomatoes, and smokes tobacco 24/7.
I bought Childers book a couple months ago and a lot of the testimonials match up with my own experience.
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@Aniciete said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
I bought Childers book a couple months ago and a lot of the testimonials match up with my own experience.
Was coffee mentioned in his book anyhow ( alkaloids in coffee) ?
Macrobiotic recommendations aside, there does seem to exist a relationship between our widespread use of potatoes and tomatoes and our high intake of milk and milk products. They are often almost irrevocably paired: tomato sauce and cheese, potatoes and cream. Which came first, the dairy or the nightshades¿ If the nightshades affect our calcium metabolism, then the milk products could be needed to provide us with extra calcium. Or, conversely, our excessive calcium intake from milk products may create a demand for a food such as tomatoes, to break up the accumulation. To keep us balance, the, do tomatoes need cheese, or does cheese need tomatoes? The answer is yes, to both. Your will find it easier to give up nightshades and dairy both, that either one or the other. Conversely, a dariy-free diet that does use nightshades to an appreciable extent could result in calcium loss, as happened to one of my students who had that condition clinically diagnosed. When she eliminated the nightshades, the calcium loss was reversed.
