Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition

gg12

Hear me out,
I always had issues : neurosis , low test , OCD , etc
I found peat and saw it as a awnser to a lot of my problems.
I think peat can be helpful for people with actual health issues but I wonder just how many neurotic people (like me) are following his guidelines as a form of escapism from their life. No different than taking a SSRI. Or going to the gym.
All these temporary things that make you feel better but don’t address your true challenges in life.
Say a hard talk you need to have with your dad.
Or a habit of trying to protect yourself (OCD).
Instead of trying to alleviate all symptoms you go deeper. You make everything worse. If you can function in these dark times instead of waiting for the future. Then you are the true overman.
The future never comes anyway.
The true Chad eats PUFA
The true Chad is ugly and still pulls (I don’t deny lookism)
And the true Chad has low test and still does it all anyway.
Trying to escape stress out of fear is not life affirming.
Touching recipt is life affirming

Corngold

@gg12 said in Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition:

Trying to escape stress out of fear is not life affirming.
Touching recipt is life affirming

Agree. That's why very specific regimens or structured diets are basically restrictive and stress inducing. Balance in everything.

@gg12 real chads move in silence

youre right on the ethos imo

the thing is someone handling receipts all day should probably wear gloves
eating pufa is good if you feel food about it. i dont feel good about eating deep fried pufa, i had a chance to eat KFC a cpl weeks and it just looked disgusting with dripping oil

you should extend this reasoning you have elucidated to other concepts such as the attitude you displayed in the thread about the movie and le west is le over thoughts

yerrag

@gg12 Babbling is incoherent. Being Peat is coherency. Keep talking. Maybe it will finally becoming coherent. Let me know when you figure it out.

@yerrag really rich coming from the guy who has pages and pages of babbling on display on rpf for years xD

if your post is self aware then my post isnt aggressive, but if your post is not self aware my post is verging on making fun of you

Rah1woot

Danny Roddy suggested that "nutrition was overrated" and that a stimulating life is the most important thing, I tend to agree.

You can be "peaty" without being orthorexic as well.

16characterstwas

Good luck

yerrag

@eduardo-crispino

Lets just call you for not being aware you're babbling.

Likely you don't know Ray Peat and what coherence means. Have you even read his writings? I highly doubt it.

But stay and learn as when people try to be coherent and you don't get it, it may just be your level of comprehension betraying your high regard of yourself

gg12

@yerrag I dont know if your original "babbling" comment was directed at me or not. Obviously peat can still teach me alot and I havent dove deep into him, I do apperciate him. But as soon as I say im not following his principles you discount my argument as babbiling? I thought peat said not being open to new ideas was a sign of bad health and high serotonin?

Alas im just joking
Attack my argument not me

gg12

@eduardo-crispino Appreciate the honest response bro.
I honestly am trying to pick up some writting in my free time.
As I said in the thread im very high serotnin right now so I am very sloppy: organizing ideas etc.

Also your right I prob dont need to post about everything but I am curious what people have to say.

I used to have a job wear I touched recipts all day and yeah I wore gloves cause if I dont I would be SUPER tired .
At grocery stores I swear I see so many bald dudes at the register touching receipt after and after.

When I eat pufa its my familys cooking TBH not outright oil but like its in say a tortia or something,

Ill try to devlop complex and rooted arguments in the future

gg12

@Rah1woot When I first heard that it didnt really resonate with me but yeah the orthorexia is real. Having to worry about whether you ate PUFA or not is not worth the stress. Also NGL my metabolism feels to fast sometime and I burn through food too fast and it makes me really stressed to be hungry or on empty stomach.
One day ill properly try peating again but im going to let go of it a bit for sake of my mental

yerrag

@gg12 said in Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition:

@yerrag I dont know if your original "babbling" comment was directed at me or not. Obviously peat can still teach me alot and I havent dove deep into him, I do apperciate him. But as soon as I say im not following his principles you discount my argument as babbiling? I thought peat said not being open to new ideas was a sign of bad health and high serotonin?

Alas im just joking
Attack my argument not me

Sorry for not quite understanding your situation and I have difficulty understanding your post. I hope you can overcome your present difficulties. I haven't been in your situation and have my own challenges but I can say it's lonely one's own challenges are hard to overcome by oneself and it's hard for others to understand. You are going through that and so am I but in different degrees and in different stages of solving the problem. My reaction to your post comes from your use of PUFA as something to be considered benign at best. What you are really saying is that people seem to do well, or are more functional, or are better situated even with being full of PUFA their lifestyle. And that your current focus on being Peaty and trying to remove PUFA is not as important as directly dealing with more immediate issues that are just as important.

So your focus on Peat and bioenergetics may be misplaced. That I can agree with you.

And putting undue focus on being Peaty at the expense of other remedial actions can be seen as an escape from facing head on issues. And that is true.

But how you do that seems easy if your mind is in the right place. Which is to say that a sick person, especially one who has issues that affect being mentally fully functional, would have to focus more on getting his head right, but that is like a question of what comes first- the chicken or egg, or the cart before the horse. They are neither. So that is a dilemma.

And you are right about talking with the people in your life for help. For this isn't something you can do yourself. You need their help. And that is difficult to do asking for help even from family, especially your father- if he is not one you know who can understand. But he may, so you have to give that a chance.

Bioenergetics is not an easy subject. Peat can write a lot about it, and most if not all is true and coherent. But applying his principles to even his own context, he may stumble. If he were overweight to begin with, he may be overweight and not overcome it. But he started out normal weighted, and he isn't one who could coach people to lose weight from obese to normal. Danny Roddy started out thin, and hadn't had the challenge of transforming from fat to thin, but his friendship with haidut hasn't rubbed off on haidut enough to make haidut slim down. haidut hasn't lost a lb since I first saw, and seemed to have put on weight. Yet he knowsa lot, and is someone I listen to, but he isn't omniscient, and has some gaps that kept him from slimming down. Count all the members of the bioenergetics forums, and it's common knowledge that as a group, members cannot preach bioenergetics by example to people who preach keto or carnivore. They find it hard to say " I went from 200 lbs to 140 lbs.", the weight for his height to be considered normal- because hefollowed Ray Peat's principles. For people still do things where they think they are doing it right, but for a few practices they still don't get it right.

Sorry if this counts for babbling to the low comprehending member here.

doorflamme

@yerrag said in Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition:

@gg12 Babbling is incoherent. Being Peat is coherency. Keep talking. Maybe it will finally becoming coherent. Let me know when you figure it out.

Gay answer. let him cook

Korven

@gg12 said in Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition:

Touching recipt is life affirming

Thanks OP this made me lol

But seriously though...

I think OCD and anxiety is mostly just gut irritation. I can turn it on and off by eating certain foods. In my teenage years I was eating pasta, oatmeal, bread everyday and I was literally going insane from OCD.

Do you keep a food journal? It can be useful to connect the dots between triggering foods (and supplements) and symptoms.

Korven

A related thought:

If you've been sick your entire life (e.g. someone with celiac who is eating gluten everyday) it is impossible to know what it feels like to be healthy. Basically, there is no good reference point to relate to, and this can make efforts to improve your health seem daunting (since you don't realize how good you could feel and you question whether you should just eat what everyone else eats and stop bothering with it all).

I feel like I've been on both sides and it's such a stark difference that is difficult to explain. Being truly healthy is a profound experience of wellbeing - or euphoria like Ray said - and I think if you are not feeling this way on a daily basis then you are far from your potential. Some proxies for health, for me, is how good music sounds and how much I seek novel experiences/meeting people.

LucH

@gg12 said in Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition:

I always had issues : neurosis , low test , OCD , etc
I found peat and saw it as a awnser to a lot of my problems.

You can combine 2 approaches.
Possible causes of low mood disorder and lack of energy
A combination of biological, genetic, environmental, and psychological factors.
I’d see what can impact Brain chemistry: Imbalances in neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine can contribute to mood disorders.
Microbiome and leaky gut are two other possibilities.
The way your mother ate, thought and gave birth has an effect that lasts far behind …
Gluten and other prolamins have an impact on the tight junctions of the stomach. See Dr. jean Seignalet (immunolist), or Dr. Jaqueline Lagacée. See beneath.
Another clue: impact on enzymes
Young children haven't had time enough to develop heavy metal poisoning when living in natural wealthy environment. However, some children inherit the gene weakness from their parents. Why? The ground (30%) + the way of life (70%).
Additional cause (part of the problem):
Cereals cause zonulin secretion. Zonulin increases intestinal permeability (leaky gut). Tight junctions are no longer operational (by people suffering from poor digestion).
PS: Thiamin (B1) can help a lot to optimize energy and to set things in the right order / to exchange information (brain) but it won't do much if you can tolerate some stuff.
As far as oils is concerned (omega-3), we didn’t talk about EPA – DHA – GLA in nineties. Only from whole food.
Not to take literally. Seignalet is not a nutritionist but an immunologist.
As far as vegetables are concerned, raw for enzymes but not at the beginning when your bowels are irritated. We’d better eat them steam-cooked and according to what you can tolerate. Adapt yourself.
As far as pseudo-cereals are concerned, they are admitted but moderately. I advise to limit them once a day, a small portion. Buckwheat and rice do contain antinutrients. Like all cereals.
Not good for endothelial cells. Cereals cause zonulin secretion. Zonulin increases intestinal permeability (leaky gut). Tight junctions are no longer operational (by people suffering from poor digestion).
If you want a more thorough explanation, see the links, mostly in French (translator required):
NB: Not everyone will agree on this topic. Therefore, I won't elaborate further. Everyone is more or less sensitive to certain molecules, environmental factors, etc. Up to you if you want to go deeper, now or later. Most people need time …
Sources and references
1a. Hypotoxic guidelines from Jean Seignalet. Explanation.
http://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t324-seignalet-presentation-complete-par-luc
Encrassage et surexposition du système immunitaire (Clogging of the body and overexposure of the immune system).
1b. Additional link for English readers:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?ie=UTF8&text=Dr.+Dominique+Seignalet&search-alias=books&field-author=Dr.+Dominique+Seignalet&sort=relevancerank
How to prevent & reverse 100 diseases. by Dr. Dominique Seignalet (Son of Jean Seignalet, clinical pathologist and immunologist)
2. Dr. Jaqueline Lagacée.
http://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t767-une-alimentation-ciblee-pour-preserver-ou-retrouver-la-sante-de-lintestin-leffet-antidouleur-dune-diete-hypotoxique#7341
Jacqueline Lagacé.
Ph.D., (doctor of virology) professor-researcher specialized in immunology and microbiology, director of a research laboratory for 17 years, retired from the Faculty of Medicine, University of Montreal. Blog jacquelinelagace.net
Author's books:

The end of pain. How nutrition and diet can fight chronic disease, 2011.
New book in October 2016 : Une alimentation ciblée pour préserver ou retrouver la santé de l’intestin. L’effet antidouleur d’une diète hypotoxique. 22 – 25 €.

Wabi-sabi

@LucH @gg12 Is Sodium Butyrate likely to be helpful to repair tight junctions, I have benefited greatly from it, Merci beaucoup

Jennifer

Great topic, @gg12. And excellent comments, @Korven. Just to add some thoughts on suffering as it’s sometimes glorified as a way to validate our pain, give meaning to it, and this can leave us believing it’s optimal and stuck in painful cycles.

It’s true that the life-affirming happens while under pressure, but it’s also true that the life-affirming happens while in the flow. Bruce Lee proposed the idea of being water, and it has been my experience that being adaptable or “in the flow,” like I imagine “Chad” to actually be, is a whole lot easier when the body’s basic biological needs are met which, despite how unhealthy they seem on the surface, may be what Chad’s choices are accomplishing. Peat/diet is one of many outlets people may be using to channel their anxiety, but I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that what appears as escapism is actually an attempt at course-correcting, a Hail Mary even, driven by a biological need. Like Korven, I’ve experienced for myself just how powerful nutrition can be on mindset and thus the confidence, or even just the energy, to face challenges. Also, keep in mind that those who are using Ray’s work as an outlet for their anxiety have actually had to push passed fear to experiment like we do because he never designed a protocol to follow so we’re left to find our own way.

I’m all for the underdog, the hard-won victories, making perceived impossibles possible, and I’ve had the difficult talk with my dad, resisted old habits used to protect myself, overcome some pretty heavy experiences, despite handicaps, but I came to realize that my penchant for the struggle, that no pain, no gain mindset, was stemming from generational beliefs that were instilled in me, which stemmed from low self-worth, which was exacerbated by low blood sugar—within 15 minutes of having some fruit juice, I could go from thinking the world would be better off without me to knowing the world is a better place because I exist, just like I know the world is a better place because you exist, and I think we’d be hard-pressed to find someone living their best life who doesn’t know deep down that they’re deserving of it. All that the struggle was really doing for me was revealing to me what I’m made of, which I would have already known had previous generations never forgotten what they were made of for what I believe we are born knowing to be fostered in me…and perhaps indulged more in sweet stuff. A flower can grow through a sidewalk crack, but not without the nurturing of Mother Nature and I don’t think that any less life-affirming. How could it be? It’s the miracle that is life itself.

Corngold

@gg12 said in Purposely eating PUFA - Dropping nutrition:

Also NGL my metabolism feels to fast sometime and I burn through food too fast and it makes me really stressed to be hungry or on empty stomach.

This probably explains why high metabolism mfers always eat fast food and high-pufa meals, and remain ectomorphs. I think they need the pufa to gain "calm" and steadiness. In this case I wonder if Peat's ideas would apply more to middle and later age people in the first place. It's not like he was publishing papers when he was 20 or 30 for people of that age like this community is now doing.

From what I've seen, many people who gained weight who were otherwise skinny and healthy before, either took medications, had an injury, became depressed and/or stressed, or all of the above or other major life conflicts. It isn't just eating fast food or high pufa, though I know for a fact a guy who basically loved fast food and rightly believed binge eating it very frequently over the years made him obese.

I don't think I've ever had a "high" metabolism. If I have a healthy metabolism it has been interfered with through environment, food, endocrine disruption, etc which coinciding with genes probably influences fat accumulation and distribution.

ThinPicking

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