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Cysteine depletion triggers adipose tissue thermogenesis and weight loss

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    DavidPS
    last edited by 13 days ago

    I am wondering if this is part of the reason that the sugar diet works for some people. This was a mouse study.

    Cysteine depletion triggers adipose tissue thermogenesis and weight loss (2025)

    Caloric restriction and methionine restriction-driven enhanced lifespan and healthspan induces ‘browning’ of white adipose tissue, a metabolic response that increases heat production to defend core body temperature. However, how specifc dietary amino acids control adipose thermogenesis is unknown. Here, we identifed that weight loss induced by caloric restriction in humans reduces thiol-containing sulfur amino acid cysteine in white adipose tissue. Systemic cysteine depletion in mice causes lethal weight loss with increased fat utilization and browning of adipocytes that is rescued upon restoration of cysteine in diet. Mechanistically, cysteine-restriction-induced adipose browning and weight loss requires sympathetic nervous system-derived noradrenaline signalling via β3-adrenergic-receptors that is independent of FGF21 and UCP1. In obese mice, cysteine deprivation induced rapid adipose browning, increased energy expenditure leading to 30% weight loss and reversed metabolic infammation. These fndings establish that cysteine is essential for organismal metabolism as removal of cysteine in the host triggers adipose browning and rapid weight loss.

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      Mauritio @DavidPS
      last edited by 13 days ago

      @DavidPS i posted a human study before that showed cysteine restriction also works in humans .

      Dare to think.

      My X:
      x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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        Wabi-sabi @Mauritio
        last edited by 12 days ago

        @Mauritio And have you tried CD at all, and what results🤔

        It takes a wabi heart to recognise sabi beauty.
        Make every day a doorway to delight.
        wabi-sabi reminds you that life is fragile and temporary, it is as impermanent as anything else in nature, so why not give yourself permission to be just that, yourself?

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          TexugoDoMel
          last edited by TexugoDoMel 12 days ago 12 days ago

          Remember that in models where only cysteine is restricted, they are cystathionine γ-lyase or cystathionine β-synthase (CBS) knockout models. In a normal situation if you want to emulate these studies you have to restrict methionine and cysteine, because methionine can be converted into cysteine.

          A cysteine-free (no-Cys) diet induced weight loss exclusively in Cse−/− mice, indicating that depletion of newly absorbed and synthesized cysteine is necessary for the effect

          Weight loss was completely prevented by supplying cysteine through either N-acetylcysteine (NAC) or GSH (which is broken down to cysteine in the gut)

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            LetTheRedeemed @TexugoDoMel
            last edited by 12 days ago

            Anyone who’s replicated this dietarily, what do you eat?

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              sunsunsun @DavidPS
              last edited by 11 days ago

              does gelatin supplementation emulate cysteine/methionine/tryptophan etc depletion?

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                Mauritio @sunsunsun
                last edited by 11 days ago

                @sunsunsun partly. It enhances it.

                Dare to think.

                My X:
                x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                  DavidPS @sunsunsun
                  last edited by DavidPS 11 days ago 11 days ago

                  @sunsunsun said in Cysteine depletion triggers adipose tissue thermogenesis and weight loss:

                  does gelatin supplementation emulate cysteine/methionine/tryptophan etc depletion?

                  From cronometer.com, here is the amino acid profile of gelatin.

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                  Dr. Peat spoke about the benefits of gelatin beginning at about 16 minutes. He mentions that little old ladies could live off of gelatin and toast. LOL

                  Youtube Video – [16:04..]

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                    alfredoolivas @DavidPS
                    last edited by 11 days ago

                    @DavidPS said in Cysteine depletion triggers adipose tissue thermogenesis and weight loss:

                    Dr. Peat spoke about the benefits of gelatin beginning at about 16 minutes. He mentions that little old ladies could live off of gelatin and toast. LOL

                    lol, made me chuckle too

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                      LetTheRedeemed
                      last edited by 10 days ago

                      So, to replicate this, do we just eat gelatin and keto acid sources for protein?

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                        DavidPS @LetTheRedeemed
                        last edited by DavidPS 10 days ago 10 days ago

                        @LetTheRedeemed - As stated in the opening post:

                        Systemic cysteine depletion in mice causes lethal weight loss with increased fat utilization and browning of adipocytes that is rescued upon restoration of cysteine in diet.

                        Cysteine is a conditionally essential amino acid. The US RDI is 287 mg and I would not try to go lower than that amount.

                        It is very easy to get to the RDI for cysteine. The flipside is that it difficult to keep your levels below the RDI; but it can be done if you have your heart set on it.

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                          DavidPS @DavidPS
                          last edited by DavidPS 3 days ago 3 days ago

                          Using gelatin to maintain protein levels during cysteine depletion could cause an imbalance in the Lysine and Arginine ratio in the diet.

                          From cronometer.com, here is the amino acid profile of gelatin.102ac1cd-2471-41f3-8577-be52b1cc9edf-image.png

                          It is desirable to have diet's overall ratio of Lysine to Arginine to be more than 1.0 to prevent viral outbreaks. Foods with a higher lysine content compared to arginine are generally recommended to help manage symptoms. I usually have a high amount to dairy in my diet (see chart below). You can also use Lysine supplements to change the overall ratio in your diet.

                          Lysine and Arginine Food Guide

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                            Milk Destroyer
                            last edited by 3 days ago

                            What's a quick recipe for easy daily gelatin consumption? Just making fruit jelly?

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                              alfredoolivas @Milk Destroyer
                              last edited by 3 days ago

                              @Milk-Destroyer dissolve it in coffee or milk. You can dissolve loads and it’s still easy to drink these drinks. Just heat up a cup of coffee / milk until it’s boiling in the microwave, add in your gelatin, mix and boom.

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                                LetTheRedeemed
                                last edited by LetTheRedeemed 3 days ago 3 days ago

                                So far this diet suffers the same paradox i’ve found before: a food will be low cystine, but high methionine or tryptophan, and vice versa.

                                Studies have also shown that methionine is a component similar to cystine. Tryptophan can be preferentially converted to serotonin under stress, but in an ideal state uses b2/b6 and iron cofactors to produce niacin and niacinamide…

                                Besides the gelatin, it Looks like the best food compromise for protein is oatbran. I could try this…. Maybe supplement b2 & b6 and keep a weekly serving of liver/oysters for the iron.

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                                  sunsunsun @alfredoolivas
                                  last edited by sunsunsun 3 days ago 3 days ago

                                  @alfredoolivas please stop posting disinformation
                                  . gelatin blooms in cold liquid and then is to be heated. putting it in hot liquid directly makes it into concrete.

                                  hydrolyzed collagen can be dissolved in whatever, thoughever

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                                    alfredoolivas @sunsunsun
                                    last edited by 3 days ago

                                    @sunsunsun Have you tried drinking the coffee with the gelatin dissolved in it, whilst it’s still hot ?

                                    That way it won’t turn into concrete.

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                                      Ena @Milk Destroyer
                                      last edited by 3 days ago

                                      I just eat a small spoonful of gelatine straight from the spoon. My beef gelatine tastes wonderful.

                                      But make sure to drink a little water first, so your mouth is moist. Otherwise, you'll definitely need some water afterwards.

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                                        LetTheRedeemed @Ena
                                        last edited by LetTheRedeemed 3 days ago 3 days ago

                                        @Ena this feels like a classic troll but you sound too sincere lol…
                                        I could never imagine eating beef gelatin by the spoonful hahah

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                                          alfredoolivas @Ena
                                          last edited by 3 days ago

                                          @Ena it will have a harder time absorbing if you didn’t dissolve it

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