Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction
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Wow. I don't think I was writing much at 5 years old. I had / have a low level dyslexia which caused me to take more time to read. In the past it caused me to have poor grades because my reading comprehension was low.
Since this is a Peat Forum I must say it's incredible to re-listen to some old interviews.
"The thing about the acceptor of action, the pictorial model of the world, is that it's always changing. There's nothing repeated."
About 21 minutes into #19 "Deep Politics" podcast with Danny and Georgi.
https://bioenergetic.life/clips/a5208?t=0&c=0This goes to the point of verbal vs non-verbal thinking and learning. The verbal muscles are exercised when met with good energy. The non-verbal muscles would also be exercised if met with strong energy.
A good argument for in person socialization as well as hands-on creative arts, in contrast to the digital-social / digital-imaginative world.
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@Insr The idea of milennials being less empathetic than previous generations is on its face absurd.
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@Insr sOcIeTy’S InCrEaSiNg BrEaKdOwN
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I've had mental wonkiness and detatchment since my earliest memories. 95% of other kids seemed normal, they had personalities, life was natural for them, laughing having fun.
My brain was fixed for two days after starting niacin. Connected to other people, feeling emotions, planning my future and looking forward to things, insomnia gone, relaxed. Then back to how I was before after two days.
It transformed me. "Autism" to normal vibrant twenty-three year old male contributing to my family and the future. Apathetic voice my whole life became enlivened, energetic, emotionally expressive for the first time, feeling like I gained a new ability within my body. Then losing this as the effect wore off.
I'm halfway in a coma.
But this experience suggests total shifts are possible even after a lifetime of certain things being dysfunctional.
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I absolutely see lowered capacity for empathy in recent generations compared to my experience of pre-boomers. Empathy is "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." I don't think people today are good at seeing things from another's perspective or being genuinely compassionate. Those seem like big deficits today.
In 1938, 1-5% of college students scored abnormally high on a scale of psychopathic deviation. In 2007, 28% of college students scored abnormally high. "High scorers on [psychopathic deviation] are narcissistic, self-centered, and antisocial"
http://www.csun.edu/~dma/Twenge, Gentile, DeWall, Ma, Lacefield, & Schurtz (2010).pdf -
@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
Empathy is "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another." I don't think people today are good at seeing things from another's perspective or being genuinely compassionate.
Compassion is not the only application of this proclivity Insr.
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@Insr This reflects neither my experience and the experience of my social circle, nor the reading I have done on the topic. The stories of pre-boomer fathers physically abusing their children, sometimes to the point of leaving permanent bodily harm, are super common. It seems like almost every boomer I spoke to had a father like that.
Boomers amassed huge wealth with very little effort on their part, and they have trouble understanding that no generation after them had the same opportunity. The stories of boomer fathers kicking their 18-years-old children out of the house, often leaving them literally homeless, are equally common. But you'll hear almost no accounts of physical abuse.
You will hear almost no accounts of either about Gen-X parents, and when you look at Millennial generation, you will see parents that love their children to a fault, spoiling them.
Could be some local anomaly (I live in a post-soviet country), but the global rise of ethical vegetarianism and similar movements makes me doubt that.
Also, I see some problems with the research you posted. The results of your study could mean just that psychopaths now have significantly higher chance of getting to a college, which I believe is 100% true, and is very consistent with the research showing that psychopaths have significantly higher chance of getting a high-paying job.
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What definitely changed is the way young generations show and communicate their empathy. Since some people don't understand the ways young people show empathy, they might assume young people have no empathy.
Some people think that animals are dumb because animals can't put their thoughts into words. But when you take the time and observe animal behavior, you will find that many species are smarter than an average human.
This is the same thing
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@BearWithMe said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
What definitely changed is the way young generations show and communicate their empathy. Since some people don't understand the ways young people show empathy, they might assume young people have no empathy.
Using the "Hero, Artist, Prophet, Nomad" cyclical view of generations is of some interest.
Young people may be communicating their empathy through collective struggle per the hero phase. This would relate to rising left and right socialist ideologies. It also frames struggles as impersonal and structural. But this would seem to relate to narcissism and psychopathy, which was also mentioned here:@Insr said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
In 1938, 1-5% of college students scored abnormally high on a scale of psychopathic deviation. In 2007, 28% of college students scored abnormally high. "High scorers on [psychopathic deviation] are narcissistic, self-centered, and antisocial"
I also wonder how this was measured, and how reliable the results are. What was the purpose of taking these baselines? The DSM has gone through five + iterations and each subsequent edition adds new pathologies and "disorders." I wonder if the definition has become broader?
My idea is the nomad is spartan and unsophisticated. His survival and trials leads to triumph (hero) which is also great individualism and selfishness. This eventually allows for introspection in the artist stage, after which he gains wisdom to become the prophet.
Also interesting to think about "home prices," bad economy, "digital nomads," more flying and immigration than ever before. This is certainly a period of "nomadism," just as early 1900s were for America, northern Europe, collapsing Ottoman Empire, etc.
@ThinPicking said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
Compassion is not the only application of this proclivity Insr.
What are the other categories? I think "Collective struggle" maybe stems from an abstract sense of empathy with disparate people and experiences.
I believe millennials are emotionally isolated and lack an "apparatus" for meaningful empathic construction. One avenue of empathy is romantic love and family creation. This has obviously been destroyed incrementally by the pill, porn, abortion, geographic dislocation, worse economy, drugs, etc.
Another mode of empathy is social groups and friends. All of this has been monetized, event-ized, corrupted, or simply made difficult by geographic dislocation and disruption of urban / familial fabric.
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I can see the autism increasing in prevalence angle
My very intelligent millennial colleague and supervisor in the lab- we used to discuss ideas and refine protocols, had a great back and forth and I learned a lot from it. My one good quality is I come up with ideas that are pretty decent and original.
The past few months my colleague started relying more and more on chat gpt for all protocols and discussing ideas with it. Over time they talked less and less to me and now there's no communication whatsoever even though they're supposed to be my supervisor. All communication is with the chat. All protocols are written by chat gpt and a lot of them fail because it's not that refined yet. I didn't think someone with my job would be so quickly replaced but AI, but I have been replaced by chat gpt, the superior colleague. Even though its strong point isn't innovation or creativity
It is unfortunate. I know a lot of people that only talk to chat gpt, it is their only friend and they prefer it over actual humans. I believe this is a symptom of neurodivergence that people overlook and it will make the people around them that actually love humanity feel isolated, lonely and rejected as their peers continue to choose a chatbot over human connection
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Sabotage his keyboard with cheese slices Paddington. The most horrid, plastic, low quality cheese you can find.
You may also poison the arp and divert gpt access to local copy of the following site. (Don't.)
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I almost missed this inquiry cornster.
@Corngold said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
What are the other categories?
I don't think all psychopathy is an absence of it or spectacular. If true then an application in that wouldn't necessarily involve feigning compassion. A person that way inclined could do some damage before the light goes out. As surely it would.
And that could be viral. In a way.
I believe millennials are emotionally isolated and lack an "apparatus" for meaningful empathic construction.
To me this is more a familial and early life thing than generational, but also situational. If I spend the next week eating only domino's pizza and drinking only whisky, while making no effort to vibe with a 'boomer' or a 'zoomer', I will probably appear to lack the 'apparatus'. The 'older' I get the truer that is.
One avenue of empathy is romantic love and family creation. This has obviously been destroyed incrementally by...
There's always been someone or something to try and ruin it. You're wise to it all right corn.
Another mode of empathy is social groups and friends. All of this has been...
There's always something. The price mechanism is particularly skewed right now though.
geographic dislocation
The desire to go for a run to find something that was already stocked is of particular interest to me at this time.
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@ursidae said in Vaccines - the cause of society's dysfunction:
It is unfortunate. I know a lot of people that only talk to chat gpt, it is their only friend and they prefer it over actual humans. I believe this is a symptom of neurodivergence that people overlook and it will make the people around them that actually love humanity feel isolated, lonely and rejected as their peers continue to choose a chatbot over human connection
Possible silver lining is that the hyper-utility of ai / chats may backfire. The specificity and inhumanness may inspire real conversations. The problem may be that people need to be ready to not communicate as they do with chatbots. The spontaneity, intelligence, and experience of actual people will have to be reimagined and patiently accepted.
