PEATSPHERE is dysgenic
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Danny used to be super handsome. These days he's giving off slight una-bomber vibes. He's too skinny, and I suspect he's super orthorexic and has undiagnosed autism. None of that means he necessarily gives bad advice though.
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@jd_au He has always been very neurotic. Don't think its a bad thing to be a little prepared, but in his case I think it is something deeper.
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@jd_au his food videos are insane
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@jd_au said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Danny used to be super handsome. These days he's giving off slight una-bomber vibes. He's too skinny, and I suspect he's super orthorexic and has undiagnosed autism. None of that means he necessarily gives bad advice though.
Una bomber vibe can be one of the effects of being based. Nah he isnt to skinny, his arms strong enough to do what he wants to do and to eventually lift a weapon if needed. he all good.
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@heyman said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
@jd_au He has always been very neurotic. Don't think its a bad thing to be a little prepared, but in his case I think it is something deeper.
Not certain, potentially he live alone, and when you do live alone and your parents are not taking Care of you, basic Instinct is to make your place and environnement safe and optimal, and be ready to what has a high enough likelyhood to happen. ain't negative at all in that case
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There's a life in a day in the context of a decision to live that way.
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@water-fire said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Una bomber vibe can be one of the effects of being based.
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@PEATCEL said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
@PEATCEL I await evidence that proves me wrong
Read and learn.
Ray Peat's writings are there for you. It's even easier now as you can find it easier to separate the real Ray Peat ideas from the misunderstood part of his ideas. As I use an AI that captured well his ideas, I am able to fill some gaps in my knowledge that I still get from self studying his writings.
But I doubt you would read enough to know, and want people to prove these ideas work by challenging them this way.
Go find a doctor or a coach to teach you whatever you think works, Don Quixote.
Sorry, no one will teach you. You learn by doing it the old fashioned way, grasshopper!
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Armchair psychoanalysis so take it or leave it, re Danny: I am generally a fan. I think he's a decent man who means well and has probably helped a number of people.
I think he had an absent father and it explains his intense adoration of Ray. This isn't a criticism, it's actually touching. But it does mean that Danny seems to have tried hard to mimic Ray, down to moving to Mexico, taking up painting, following his advice to the letter. For years, Danny was against oral supplementation, because Ray was. Then more recently, Danny discovered that some oral supplements didn't give him any issues, and now he advocates for them. Well, for years, other people were saying oral supplements were fine, but he wouldn't entertain it because Ray didn't.
Danny has now adopted a low protein diet, because that's how Ray started eating in the final year of his life. Monkey see, monkey do.
I know Danny has a very strict diet. No starch. The same small handful of meals each day. That's why I suggest he might be orthorexic.
He gave some super cringy advice about trying to approach hot women, and indicated that several times he has been accused of trying to rob a woman when he asked them out. This is so sweet and daft and indicates he doesn't have great social skills. I'm not sure someone like this should be a life guru, but to each his own.
He has tens of thousands of followers on X, but follows ZERO people. This says to me that Danny VERY much wants to be the guru. The new Ray. That he doesn't follow people, they follow him. This is noteworthy. In my view, someone who is really robust and well-adjusted understands that there are lots of people in the world who know things they don't, and who are worth following. Life is always about give and take.
Finally, he definitely clearly thought the end of the world was coming. Hence the intense prepper stuff. He was wrong. Ray was wrong. They both thought the world would have gone dark by now and Lord of the Flies would have descended. So it's reasonable to assume from this that he has a vein of paranoia in him.
And now we're out of time.
(i def don't expect everyone to agree with these comments, but they're worth wondering about IMHO).
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@jd_au said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Armchair psychoanalysis so take it or leave it, re Danny: I am generally a fan. I think he's a decent man who means well and has probably helped a number of people.
I think he had an absent father and it explains his intense adoration of Ray. This isn't a criticism, it's actually touching. But it does mean that Danny seems to have tried hard to mimic Ray, down to moving to Mexico, taking up painting, following his advice to the letter. For years, Danny was against oral supplementation, because Ray was. Then more recently, Danny discovered that some oral supplements didn't give him any issues, and now he advocates for them. Well, for years, other people were saying oral supplements were fine, but he wouldn't entertain it because Ray didn't.
Danny has now adopted a low protein diet, because that's how Ray started eating in the final year of his life. Monkey see, monkey do.
You said your self above that him not being againts oral supplementation any longer is the result of him finding oral supplements that have positive effects. So ain't monkey see monkey do, unless he would discard his own feeelings to follow Ray claims.
I know Danny has a very strict diet. No starch. The same small handful of meals each day. That's why I suggest he might be orthorexic.
That isnt orthorexia.
He gave some super cringy advice about trying to approach hot women, and indicated that several times he has been accused of trying to rob a woman when he asked them out. This is so sweet and daft and indicates he doesn't have great social skills. I'm not sure someone like this should be a life guru, but to each his own.
What advices
He has tens of thousands of followers on X, but follows ZERO people. This says to me that Danny VERY much wants to be the guru. The new Ray. That he doesn't follow people, they follow him. This is noteworthy. In my view, someone who is really robust and well-adjusted understands that there are lots of people in the world who know things they don't, and who are worth following. Life is always about give and take.
A lot of X stuffs seems like dead internet theory bot generated worthless stuff, him sharing his thoughts and not following anyone on X doesn't imply he wants to be a guru, there isnt a quota of interest you have to show on X to not be a guru wanna be. Also You dont need to follow people to look at what they post
Finally, he definitely clearly thought the end of the world was coming. Hence the intense prepper stuff. He was wrong. Ray was wrong. They both thought the world would have gone dark by now and Lord of the Flies would have descended. So it's reasonable to assume from this that he has a vein of paranoia in him.
And now we're out of time.
Where did he talk about lord of the flies descending
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@jd_au said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Finally, he definitely clearly thought the end of the world was coming. Hence the intense prepper stuff. He was wrong. Ray was wrong. They both thought the world would have gone dark by now and Lord of the Flies would have descended. So it's reasonable to assume from this that he has a vein of paranoia in him.
This doesn't make Danny paranoid, it just means he was following Ray uncritically. Like a cult, the members don't exercise critical thinking against the leader. That's why they end up in bizarre situations. Not to judge him, but Danny's apparent situation seems unnecessarily rigid and catastrophic.
This is when "Ray Peat" is a cult. Doomsday ideas/fears were discussed on Generative Energy and given the timeframe of 2020 it's understandable. But many people were saying the same thing. Doomsday was / is a grift. Same talking points: buy gold/metals, chickens, guns, live off grid.
I'm not a psychoanalyst but doomsday rhetoric I think is a misplaced fear of rejection or "flow," as you mentioned earlier. Some Christian cults, monastics and other religious have a similar idea about the apocalypse and spend their lives homesteading / preparing/repenting. There is the ascetic/solitary tradition and the more communal / familial tradition. Look it up and see how many articles from 2020 are talking about monks living in isolation and how this can instruct modern society in a pandemic.
Re: Ray
The thing that bugs me is the idea that Mr. Peat himself was basically contradicting every mainstream assumption or dogma in science and other areas. Everybody is flawed, but that seems to have been his big tactic / tendency, where he could just say "actually, it wasn't proven, just demonstrated once in a limited study, then treated as fact so it could be used by big industries." Rinse, repeat (ray-peat). This is pretty much the formula, though he was nuanced in many ways and wasn't simply a reactionary.
My point is probably that for all of the politicized anti-oligarchy or anti-capitalist developments that have characterized post-1900s life, the suppositions or solutions are a bit contradictory and wacky.
Ex:
- red light
when would anyone historically have been exposed to only red light?
- supplements and hormones
when would anyone historically have had access to industrial supplements and extracted hormones? how is this not entirely contradictory and dependent upon the industrialized synthetic world?
- exotic foods
once again, this may reflect more robust eating from older times. however, wealth and nutrition are usually positively correlated. it pays to be wealthy, and this is why the Peatsphere is contradictory and full of grifters.
- trusting the "science"
can and should anyone trust older scientific studies and studies from certain countries? reading critically is important but sometimes these studies are treated as sacrosanct and a bit like holy relics.Anyways, that goes back to my sense that Ray "corrected" or contradicted so many claims and assumptions, only to offer a handful of wonky solutions. It's sort of like priests and preachers talking about judgment day, which they state as a fact, but only come up with the solution that we should follow them, repent, and do what they tell us. The way Ray is often memed as having total authority reminds me that he wasn't afraid of playing dictator/prophet with his information and work. For this reason it seems any meaningful horizontal and poly-centric approach in the Peatsphere is doomed.
Christianity was "doomed" by the Bishop of Rome, in a sense, but it's obvious that "every man a Pope" was always the rule, which is why hundreds of distinct schools of thought developed over the centuries, not to mention those that exploded after the Reformation and in the USA.
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@Corngold said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
@jd_au said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Re: Ray
The thing that bugs me is the idea that Mr. Peat himself was basically contradicting every mainstream assumption or dogma in science and other areas. Everybody is flawed, but that seems to have been his big tactic / tendency, where he could just say "actually, it wasn't proven, just demonstrated once in a limited study, then treated as fact so it could be used by big industries." Rinse, repeat (ray-peat). This is pretty much the formula, though he was nuanced in many ways and wasn't simply a reactionary.
My point is probably that for all of the politicized anti-oligarchy or anti-capitalist developments that have characterized post-1900s life, the suppositions or solutions are a bit contradictory and wacky.
Ex:
- red light
when would anyone historically have been exposed to only red light?Just above horizon sun is red, morning and evening, fire is orange/red, your skin mostly let red light pass through. Did Ray implyed that we ever have been exposed to red light only and that it is beneficial to do so and bad to be exposed to any other spectrum?
- supplements and hormones
when would anyone historically have had access to industrial supplements and extracted hormones? how is this not entirely contradictory and dependent upon the industrialized synthetic world?Did Ray claimed that anyone historically had acces to supplements and extracted hormones rr did he rather claim that some of these extracted hormones can be beneficial?
- exotic foods
once again, this may reflect more robust eating from older times. however, wealth and nutrition are usually positively correlated. it pays to be wealthy, and this is why the Peatsphere is contradictory and full of grifters.Unclear idea
- trusting the "science"
can and should anyone trust older scientific studies and studies from certain countries? reading critically is important but sometimes these studies are treated as sacrosanct and a bit like holy relics.No study can be consider as a fact, just anecdotes potentially usefull to lead to further self experiment.
Anyways, that goes back to my sense that Ray "corrected" or contradicted so many claims and assumptions, only to offer a handful of wonky solutions.
No, many of the things he claims or that are associated to him are primordially based. Try something, pay attention to how you feel and act accordingly, benefit of novelty, light exposure, importance of ripeness for fruits and ripe fruits being an optimal food, maintaining high optimal temperature by whatever mean necessary, just that ain't wonky at all.
@Corngold said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
@jd_au said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Anyways, that goes back to my sense that Ray "corrected" or contradicted so many claims and assumptions, only to offer a handful of wonky solutions. It's sort of like priests and preachers talking about judgment day, which they state as a fact, but only come up with the solution that we should follow them, repent, and do what they tell us. The way Ray is often memed as having total authority reminds me that he wasn't afraid of playing dictator/prophet with his information and work. For this reason it seems any meaningful horizontal and poly-centric approach in the Peatsphere is doomed.
It is nothing like that, it is the opposite, he doesn't claim you should follow him, or repent to him or anyone, and doesn't claim that you should do what he say whever you like it or not.
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@water-fire said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
Did Ray claim that anyone historically had access to supplements and extracted hormones or did he rather claim that some of these extracted hormones can be beneficial?
Probably not. It's paradoxical: technology enables business (or vice versa) and therefore health has been depleted and sickness has generated profit. But again, just because the estrogen industry dragged progesterone through the mud, that doesn't mean it's uncritically "good," just like sugar or fat. That's fine, because the guy and his work is not the same thing as the "community based on the guy."
@water-fire said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
It is nothing like that, it is the opposite, he doesn't claim you should follow him, or repent to him or anyone, and doesn't claim that you should do what he say whether you like it or not.
True, but his acolytes cling to his ideas and particular personality. Being a strong counter-current requires credibility and some "devotion." I know barely anything about who he was when he was alive so I can't speak on him or his intentions. But the Peat TM movement is "led" or pushed by all kinds of people with different motives which is can become a "conflict of interest."
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@Corngold said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
given the timeframe of 2020 it's understandable
RPF could get pretty doomy too, tricky to resist. The twitter API was open so I could use fritter and avoid catching the discourse without ignoring the claims.
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@Corngold Your points there are just naturalistic fallacy. Just because something (the body) is optimized for a specific environment (e.g. one without red light, supplements, exotic foods) doesn't mean that it can't run even more efficiently in a different environment (e.g. one with those things). In the end what is optimal or not is defined by laws of physics and biology in particular is restrained by chemistry. There are certain optimization bottlenecks that you have in a natural environment (like for example, amount of available NAD+ for reactions) that can be easily solved through technical solutions (like taking a Niacinamide supplement) and greatly increases capabilities of the body.
I think what defines Peat is that he did not let his preconceptions deter his intellectual curiosity. He just sat down and did the work, did the reading, did the experimentation, did the thinking. And that's how he figured out that a lot of the ideas in medicine had very shaky grounds and weren't based on anything particular at all.
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@pittybitty said in PEATSPHERE is dysgenic:
In the end what is optimal or not is defined by laws of physics
Yet. Maybe.
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That may be one of the greatest rogan's of all time btw. A multilevel masterclass.
