Has anyone improved their health by peating
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@Corngold spread the truth, this forum is not peat echo chamber, its for alternative health enthusiasts and physiologists
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@Corngold To be fair, there is no peat diet.
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@lykos OK. What's your wisdom?
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@Corngold ray peat’s followers are cringe and gay, i do respect peat.
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@lykos again, why are you on an overtly Peat-centered forum?
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
@Corngold To be fair, there is no peat diet.
Well seen.
I'm not going to develop here ; I think you can guess why (=> crocolions).
If you want to know why, here is an intro. Need
Ray Peat’s Diet – There is no RP diet!
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2160-english-corner-ray-peats-diet-there-is-no-rp-diet#30534
Introduction
Energy management is key for optimizing mitochondrial breath. What kind, how much and at which rhythm is dependent on how your thyroid sense the metabolism through hormonal and electro-chemical balance. There is no well-defined regimen that is valid – at the same time – for people seeking to optimize/increase fuel levels and for people trying to restore a failing or insufficient functional balance.
Understanding this nuance is the first step toward a precision strategy. It’s not just about "eating healthy”, but about restoring the dialogue between your intake and your cellular needs. By learning to adjust the right levers—from enzymatic cofactors to electrolyte balance—you can transform nutrition into a powerful tool for regeneration, tailored to the reality of your own metabolic terrain.
Context:
Although there is a book titled "The Ray Peat Survival Guide: Understanding, Using, and Realistically Applying the Dietary Ideas of Dr. Ray Peat" on amazon.com for about $8, written by JL and subtitled "Trying to Survive on Milk, Gelatin, Orange Juice, and Coffee?", the author explains how to separate fact from fiction. This teaches the fundamental principles of Peat's precepts, not the distorted version heard everywhere else.
Comment (LucH):
This approach could be interesting – I haven’t even read the book – if the author didn’t present himself as the representative or universal legatee of “the RP "doctrine", if indeed there is such a thing as a doctrine. Understand me clearly: I'm not ranting, I'm not deconstructing anything; I'm simply saying that some people are exploiting every opportunity, taking advantage of others in the process. Let me explain differently. The author has likely read and analyzed RP's articles. He then categorized them more or less appropriately according to the main metabolic functions, commenting on one or two esoteric passages, and probably influencing the conclusion based on his own intuition.
Now let’s try to be more practical and put in excerpt one main contraindication or weakness: As long you manage energy well, you metabolize well, to say it shortly, you may be able drink half a liter orange (+/ 0.13 gallon) and eat 150 g liver beef (+/ 5 oz.) but I won’t do that with a weak metabolism. See Catherine Kousmine if you want to understand; you have to adapt the density and the amount to the capacity of your assimilation rate.
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@LucH all that text,not to answer on why "there isnt a ray peat diet". Can you write in clear words, why is a diet that is based on ray peat ideas, illegitimate to be called a ray peat diet, compare to any other diet label?
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@user1 ray peat diet doesnt exist because peatards said so
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As I mentioned on the given link, Ray Peat is not applied to repair “a broken fragment” with inappropriate doses; its principles are used to optimize a metabolism that has been previously stabilized through a holistic approach.
Optimizing metabolism
Optimizing means facilitating unimpeded hormonal communication, without pushing the accelerator pedal too hard, if we don't want to flood the system. This means allowing energy to reach the mitochondria very gradually, in stages, without an excess of residues that the liver and kidneys would have to get rid of.
Now don’t ask someone to explain sth that doesn’t exist or to proof it, unless you want me to consider you as a crocolion.
Figure of a crocolion. See the problem?
In those confusing times, he'd forgotten to take down all the mirrors, so he wouldn't have to think too much. See what happens when a crocolion keeps dwelling on negative thoughts. They turn into shitty ideas that he can no longer get rid of…Excerpt:
In summary
If I were to paraphrase, to give an image, I’d say RP’s advices should be seen as an objective to be achieved, with a view to a destination (a metabolism able to burn carbs and processing dense nutrients), and not as a starting point when you begin / correct what interferes with a slow metabolism. Kousmine teaches us how to repair pipes; Peat teaches us how to increase water pressure. Doing the opposite risks flooding.
PS: Additional questions to debate:
What is “an objective to achieve”? The answer is already in the text: Optimizing mitochondrial breath.
What is “a broken fragment”? Any element that function on an erratic way.
How to proceed? See a clue on the given link
Not sure it will be accepted or function in all circumstances, but it’s a starting point to consider. -
@LucH said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
As I mentioned on the given link, Ray Peat is not applied to repair “a broken fragment” with inappropriate doses; its principles are used to optimize a metabolism that has been previously stabilized through a holistic approach
Irelevant as it does not answer the question.
Now don’t ask someone to explain sth that doesn’t exist or to proof it, unless you want me to consider you as a crocolion.
Figure of a crocolion. See the problem?
In those confusing times, he'd forgotten to take down all the mirrors, so he wouldn't have to think too much. See what happens when a crocolion keeps dwelling on negative thoughts. They turn into shitty ideas that he can no longer get rid of…You are more confused and have more shitty ideas than you think you actually do, dont project your own tendencies. A good part of your comments are partly i.a. generated worthless slop.
Excerpt:
In summary
If I were to paraphrase, to give an image, I’d say RP’s advices should be seen as an objective to be achieved, with a view to a destination (a metabolism able to burn carbs and processing dense nutrients), and not as a starting point when you begin / correct what interferes with a slow metabolism. Kousmine teaches us how to repair pipes; Peat teaches us how to increase water pressure. Doing the opposite risks flooding.
PS: Additional questions to debate:
What is “an objective to achieve”? The answer is already in the text: Optimizing mitochondrial breath.
What is “a broken fragment”? Any element that function on an erratic way.
How to proceed? See a clue on the given link Not sure it will be accepted or function in all circumstances, but it’s a starting point to consider.None of that yap prove that calling a diet inspired on raymond peat ideas "ray peat diet" is more illégitimate than labeling any other diet.
It's simple: names/labels/words are practical tools for exchanging information and saving time. When people use the label “Ray Peat diet,” they are not implying that Ray Peat himself eats exactly that all the time, down to the last detail. The label is simply used to name a diet that is based on Ray Peat's ideas and claims. People aren't going to say “a low PUFA, high calcium-phosphorus ratio, ripe fruit and/or sugar rather than starch, liver from time to time, raw carrot salad, while adjusting what they eat to feel their best and potentially taking their temperature and pulse Diet" every time they want to name their diet that is based on Ray Peat's ideas.
So there is absolutely no significant difference from other diet labels (carnivore, paleo, animal-based, keto...etc) that makes the use of the label “Ray Peat diet” illegitimate, even saying “perceive, think, act” doesn't change that. No amount of yap and i.a. slop will change that.
So if you want to claim that “there is no Ray Peat diet” explain why other diets are legitimate to be labeled and named, but not the Ray Peat diet,
And also explain how labeling a diet based on ray peat ideas as"ray peat diet" isnt one if not the most pratical and usefull way to label it, considering that Raymond Peat him self did not explicitly chose a label for diets inspired by his ideas, compare to some other people such as paul saladino who use"animal based diet", also considering that some people such as Charlie use the label" bioenergetic"inspired way of living on his forum, while promoting rice muscle meat and bean diet and big dose of many supplements, and while he said Ray peat ideas are toxic, why would you lump Ray peat ideas with any other abused meme label such as "bioenergetic" rather than "Ray Peat Diet"? When the later label is the closest to Ray Peat ideas and people will directly stumble upon Ray peat books, website, and videos at the top of the list if they do a google search"Ray peat", wont happen if they google search"bioenergetic"
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@LucH said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Now don’t ask someone to explain sth that doesn’t exist or to proof it, unless you want me to consider you as a crocolion.
Figure of a crocolion. See the problem?
In those confusing times, he'd forgotten to take down all the mirrors, so he wouldn't have to think too much. See what happens when a crocolion keeps dwelling on negative thoughts. They turn into shitty ideas that he can no longer get rid of…
Happy New Year LucH!
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@user1 said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
You are more confused and have more shitty ideas than you think you actually do, dont project your own tendencies. A good part of your comments are partly i.a. generated worthless slop.
AI is going to re-place you 'user1', all will be well.
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@Jennifer said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
I regained my health, in part, by following Ray’s work and my mum saw a regression in her cancer by following the general diet that Ray told me in an email exchange he recommended, along with thyroid and progesterone supplementation. I’ve written in depth on the old RPF about our experiences and numerous diagnoses, most of which were nonsense, but to summarize:
I was an active hiker in my 20s and without explanation began losing weight rapidly until I was done to 30 kg and at 29, while lifting half a watermelon, I felt my spine collapse under me. Within seconds I had fractured 12 vertebrae, 8 of which compressed, due to undiagnosed thyroid disease that caused advanced osteoporosis, leaving me almost 4" shorter and unable to walk. With the severity of my injury, I was at risk of paralysis if I fractured again and specialists told me not to expect to get better, let alone climb mountains again. Craving quite a bit of dairy at the time, I averaged 4 liters worth of raw milk/homemade yogurt daily, and the rest of my diet consisted of raw cheese, eggs, gelatinous broth, honey, fruit, greens, and smaller amounts of shellfish and pastured beef. Within months I had gained back all the muscle that had atrophied, and within a year I had greatly increased my bone density, going from a DEXA score of -6.7 to -3.6 (for reference, osteoporosis begins at -3.5). During this time, I also learned how to walk again, however, I was still at risk of fracturing, still in a lot of pain, amenorrheic, intolerant to many foods and having gallbladder attacks (doctors wanted to remove it, but I refused). I found Ray’s work about a year later, pressed my doctor to order a thyroid panel and hydrogen breath test, was diagnosed with thyroid disease, SIBO and gastritis, began supplementing thyroid (standardized NDT), got my period back, eliminated the SIBO, healed my gallbladder and intestines, gained back 2 inches of height and my health, and proved the specialists wrong—I’m climbing mountains again.
As for my mum’s experience, she had a biopsy in July of 2020 and was diagnosed with uterine cancer so she upped her thyroid dose by a grain, high dosed Progest-E (a bottle a week) and followed a diet consisting of mainly milk, cheese, eggs, liverwurst, gelatinous meat, carrot salad, fruit juice and sweetened coffee. A week later, in preparation for her upcoming surgery, further testing was performed and revealed that the cancer was worse than the previous biopsy showed—it was in the surrounding walls too—and she was informed that she would likely need chemo and radiation. She continued with the diet, high dosing Progest-E, and despite doctors trying to scare her into dropping her dose, the extra grain of thyroid, and when the surgeons went to remove her uterus 6 weeks later, they were shocked to find her walls were clean—there was no trace of cancer to be found—and she didn’t need any further intervention.
4" shorter? Wow, that sounds horrific.
Do I understand correctly that you started eating a lot of dairy/ calcium a year before getting into Peat? Was it just by going by cravings? Did you not use to eat much dairy before? -
Yeah, it was horrific, @GreekDemiGod. You’re correct—I started eating a lot of dairy a year prior to finding Ray. My doctor at the time, Dr. Catherine Shanahan, authored books on traditional food and put me on a WAPF inspired diet and after having my first taste of raw milk, it was all I craved. I’ve eaten a fair amount of dairy most of my life, but never as much as when I fractured.
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Is the raw dairy that much better than the stuff in store?
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Is the raw dairy that much better than the stuff in store?
Ofc
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Raw milk contains more “bacteria”
So some don’t do as well on it as othersIn regards to a Peat diet
Yes there is a meme diet - which is so dumbAnd Peat has made a very concise statement about the food he “recommends”
Pretty easy to find
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@heyman said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Is the raw dairy that much better than the stuff in store?
For me, yes. In my experience, the flavor depends greatly on the animal’s diet and how the milk is handled, especially in the case of goats, but I’ve never had pasteurized dairy that tasted as good to me as its raw counterpart, and raw has always digested like a dream for me, while pasteurized was extremely constipating when my thyroid function, and thus enzyme production and peristalsis, was poor.
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@Peatful said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
Raw milk contains more “bacteria”
So some don’t do as well on it as othersIn regards to a Peat diet
Yes there is a meme diet - which is so dumbAnd Peat has made a very concise statement about the food he “recommends”
Pretty easy to find
Do your own researchHi, What is the difference between ray peat meme diet and ray peat diet, why doesnt the ray peat diet exist? Why do some other diet labels exist and are legitimate to exist but not the ray peat diet one?
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@user1 ray specifically said ray peat forum, a thing that has his name on it, has nothing to do with him.
