Is anyone still doing protein restriction?
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Though there is a reason people aren't doing the sugar diet anymore lol. Take a wild guess why.
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Oh and by moderate I suggest the 70ish range
BCAAs below 8! -
Protein restriction is also proposed to increase life span. A very interesting watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Ur2QAILjc
I think there's something to be said about the fact that most people gravitate towards lower protein diets naturally.
Also, as a recreational lifter, the one time that I tried a low protein diet (40-60g for a few months), I didn't notice a decrease in strength or recovery, and I was still able to progressively overload.
Obviously, this is anecdotal, and there are thousands of posts claiming that increasing protein doubled their gains or whatnot. Perhaps there's an individual component on how efficient you are at using the AAs for MPS or something.
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@autistas123 I probably hit somewhere just above 10% BF, say 12ish. I could feel a vein in my lower abdomen, but it didn’t jump off my body, (if that makes sense). Usually at 12ish and below I have significant vascularity in my lower abdomen.
And yes, I restricted overt proteins. So essentially fruits and candies, juices, and then I ate a very large bowl of rice for dinner. Protein restriction, but not complete protein annihilation.
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@evan.hinkle Seems like you were probably sub ~40g of protein. From your previous comment I'm assuming you lift. If so, did you notice a detriment to your performance?
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Protein restriction is also proposed to increase life span. A very interesting watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Ur2QAILjc
I think there's something to be said about the fact that most people gravitate towards lower protein diets naturally.
Also, as a recreational lifter, the one time that I tried a low protein diet (40-60g for a few months), I didn't notice a decrease in strength or recovery, and I was still able to progressively overload.
Obviously, this is anecdotal, and there are thousands of posts claiming that increasing protein doubled their gains or whatnot. Perhaps there's an individual component on how efficient you are at using the AAs for MPS or something.
A few years ago, I was wondering why methionine restriction (which, in animals, implies zero cysteine ​​intake as well) improved lifespan and metabolism; restricting cysteine ​​essentially means restricting coenzyme A (CoA), and a period of zero cysteine ​​intake lasting just a few days was enough to negatively impact carbs utilization via OXPHOS, forcing the animal to rely heavily on fatty acids to compensate.
I believe that maintaining a steady flux of glucose and lipids ranks higher in terms of importance than efficiency; therefore, the positive impact of these approaches will be proportional to one's metabolic state. Ironically, a healthy individual utilizes protein efficiently and does not require such high amounts
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therefore, the positive impact of these approaches will be proportional to one's metabolic state. Ironically, a healthy individual utilizes protein efficiently and does not require such high amounts
To be clear, what you're saying is that PR benefits metabolically impaired people most and that healthy people don't need to do it?
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Kinda of.
Benefits in proportion to the degree of metabolic impairement, so you need "to restrict" in proportion to your unhealthiness if that's the only variable you could change.
If it were possible to have perfect health, restriction would not be necessary at any point, but this fallen world...
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If it were possible to have perfect health, restriction would not be necessary at any point, but this fallen world...
This could be said about every single intervention, no?
I skimmed trough the text you posted on the rats. My understanding is that humans don't require a no cysteine/tryptophan diet to reap the benefits of PR.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s42255-025-01236-7 studied leanish healthy young males who still had pretty high amounts of sulfur AAs in their diets and got impressive results.
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If it were possible to have perfect health, restriction would not be necessary at any point, but this fallen world...
This could be said about every single intervention, no?
I skimmed trough the text you posted on the rats. My understanding is that humans don't require a no cysteine/tryptophan diet to reap the benefits of PR.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s42255-025-01236-7 studied leanish healthy young males who still had pretty high amounts of sulfur AAs in their diets and got impressive results.
Yeah, could be said about every intervention for that purpose haha
That was just an example; restrictions on different amino acids converge on the FGF21 effect. That is why, for instance, you can achieve most the effects of total protein restriction simply by restricting BCAAs.
And you can achieve all the effects of protein (or BCAA) restriction just by restricting methionine and cysteine, which are the ones that have the greatest impact.
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And you can achieve all the effects of protein (or BCAA) restriction just by restricting methionine and cysteine, which are the ones that have the greatest impact.
How would one even achieve this? A legume and fruit based diet?
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@TexugoDoMel not in my experience. They alll gotta go for maximal results.
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